Saturday, September 27, 2014

NEW ZEALAND AND ISIS

The United Kingdom has just voted to join the United States, France and several Arab States in contributing air assets to help assist the regimes in Iraq and Syria in their fight against ISIS.   Australia is poised to join them.

In debating the issue I want to focus solely on the question of military force.   It is for others to argue whether or not ISIS is sufficiently evil so as to justify intervention by outside powers (although, for the record, I am in favor of limited air strikes).

Conventional wisdom would have it that air power alone can never win a war by itself ... that at some point it has to be augmented by (foreign) 'boots on the ground'.   With respect I disagree.    It would be madness for the 'West' to be involved in another ground war in that region no matter the reason.

The end game has to be for air power to degrade ISIS military capability so completely that Iraqi and Syrian government ground forces can finish the job.    Coalition air power can help set the scene for a ground solution.   That's where it stops, that's where it has to stop ... end of story.

It follows logically that as NZL has no air strike capability then our contribution must be limited to providing ongoing diplomatic support for the coalition initiative.   That's the reality ... sad but true.


21 comments:

Edward the Confessor said...

Yeah, sure, if only we had a couple of clapped out F16s we'd drop them off on a passing aircraft carrier and be right in there. You're a clown.

The Veteran said...

EtC ... welcome back from your crushing defeat. Thank you for your continued 'classy' comments .... they add much to serious debate - NOT.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

ETC

Clowns are useful. They make people laugh. You don't.

Edward the Confessor said...

You do, Adolt. I've been laughing at you for years. Remember how the polls were wrong and we were going to have President Romney? You blubbed about that for weeks. Good times.

rivoniaboy said...

Poor old Ed, being on the wrong side of history for so long now has reduced him to resorting to silly little phrases like "You're a clown."
Three more years Ed...should see you totally incoherent.

Edward the Confessor said...

The Nats have adopted all of the significant social democratic reforms established since 1999, and extended some. They're benefiting from the consequences of those policies too. Who were you saying was on the wrong side of history? You guys have lost and don't even know it.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

ETC

If that's what you call losing, let's have much more of it.

Unlike us, you were born to lose.

Edward the Confessor said...

As I say, you're so stupid you don't even realise you've lost. It's odd in your specific case, Adolt, as it's so obvious - you're a right-wing extremist and yet too dumb to be upset by the government adopting and extending a raft of fundamental left-wing policies. Suck it up, loser.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

ETC

Back to Baghdad with you!

Did you not notice my party gained 50% of the party vote?

If there's any sucking up to do it's by you. Be careful to avoid the solids in the sewerage. They'll damage your fragile throat.

Edward the Confessor said...

"Your" party has adopted a soft left, social democratic platform in order to stay in government. That should be upsetting for a hard right lunatic such as yourself, but you're too thick to have realised it. You've lost the battle of ideas, again. Eat that sucker.

And you're wrong (as always), the Nats didn't get 50% of the vote.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Oh really?

Is that why they an govern on their own?

You are the dumbest troll I have ever seen.

Edward the Confessor said...

"Is that why they an govern on their own (sic)?"

It's how MMP works, retard. You really need to stop self-pwning. It's humiliating.

http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electionresults_2014/.

48<50. Pretty basic, even for someone with significant mental impairment. Perhaps your wife will explain it to you.

Jamie said...

One of the biggest betrayals of the NZDF and the NZ people was the scapping of the A4 SkyHawkes.
Grr that Commie Helen Clark.
I WILL NEVER FOGIVE OR FORGET!!!

Sun Tzu said:
"The art of war is of vital importance to the State."

“Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.'"

"There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare."

"When their substance is drained away, the peasantry will be afflicted by heavy exactions. "

"In war, then, let your great object be victory, not lengthy campaigns."

"Thus it may be known that the leader of armies is the arbiter of the people's fate, the man on whom it depends whether the nation shall be in peace or in peril"
We got a whole bunch of chickenhawk cardboard cut-out politicians running this show.

You can bet the operation will go South!

P.S expect 'Mission Creep'

Andrei said...

When in doubt bomb

This is an ill defined mission against an ill defined enemy(s) without a real goal or exit strategy.

Obama hasn't a clue what to do about the chaos he has unleashed not only in the ME but in North Africa and East Europe so he'll finish out his term by bombing everything that moves and blaming Russia for the mess.

Quagmire doesn't begin to cover it

Anonymous said...

Little Eddie's back! You've been under your rock far too long Eddie. We've all missed you.

I'm with you Vet. No American boots on the ground, when you can't tell friend from foe.

I would unleash the Air force though and pound those savages back into the 7th century where they belong. And if anyone complains, do it again.

The only language they understand.

Mrs Danvers

Andrei said...

The end game has to be for air power to degrade ISIS military capability so completely that Iraqi and Syrian government ground forces can finish the job.

Therein in lies part of the problem, the USA is trying to topple the Syrian Government which is how ISIS came into being in the first place - you know that Arab Spring thing

Jamie said...

“Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.” Sun Tzu

Barrack HUSSEIN Obama is a Muslim.
He is a double agent working for the caliphate(anti-Christ???)

This is why he acts the way he does.
He armed the Free Syrian Army aka ISIS.
Have you seen the gear they rolling in is better than some of ours ;(

“All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.” Sun Tzu

Expect a nuclear winter in New York.
GET YOUR PREP ON NOW!!!

Anonymous said...

How about we just re-arm ourselves & leave those people in the middle east to sort their own crap out?

B Whitehead

Jamie said...

Sounds good Whitehead.

I would go a step further.

Tell all Kiwi's living abroad to get their asses home or be prepared to survive where they are on their own.

Close the borders-EBOLA.

The Four Horsemen are riding.

Anonymous said...

Ebola's another issue altogether. If they had simply stopped all travel out of the area, or had strict quarantine procedures, it wouldn't cause problems everywhere else.

B Whitehead

Jamie said...

Some wannabe jihadis with a doo-rag on his head and Allah in his heart. One can fight that.


Ebola=Biological Warfare.

What if a hard-core jihadi went to West Africa, got himself infected then hopped on a plane.

How can one fight that???

Si vis pacem, para bellum "If you want peace, prepare for war". Publius Flavius Vegetius Renatus's tract De Re Militari (4th or 5th century)

Why take a chance???

A stitch in time...