Tuesday, September 30, 2014

Nah The Real David Cunliffe Is A Myth.

Churchill describing Stalin's Russia used the phrase;
"Russia is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma."

That would be very kind to a man daily playing a role on the NZ political stage at present.

Variously described as yeah nah, tailoring his remarks to a specific audience as in the now famous "Greasy fella in the Blue Suit" address in pseudo Bro talk from atop the Mana campaign bus at the Otara Markets, his OTT bravado on winning the "primary and the garrulous "you Betcha as a response to a query on raising tax rates for the better off,  having an innate talent to talk from both sides of his gob at the same time, he reached into his bag of tricks this morning on Newstalkzb with another display of total disconnect from reality.
Susan Wood in for a vacationing Mike Hosking was looking for the man who having undertaken to resign following todays Caucus only with a promise to stand again, to explain why he was continuing to pursue the leadership.

Unbelievable was my response to answers to some very basic and proper questions.

Across the Tasman in the West Isle a person often accused of being a nacissistic personality disordered soul almost wrecked the ALP, the only facet that saved that old party was a very strong union grip,  something very much weaker here except for the demented souls in denial as to union relevance and power in NZ c2014.

Mr c just has no ears for what around ninety something percent can see clearly.
He "Ruddcliffe" is not merely at the end of a rope, he is a dead and rotting carcase.

In my childhood we had a descriptive for anyone who was following a lone path in a situation and it was in the form of an anecdote of a proud Mum watching her pride and joy on his first street march with his highland regiment;  "Ooch ther's ma wee Geordie an ees the only one in step".
Says it all really.


Jamie said...

He was paid to throw the election duh. It was a Don Key boxing fight.

The Veteran said...

Methinks there is a certain synergy between where Cunliffe is right now and the refusal of Muldoon to accept the reality of his 1984 defeat and devalue the currency despite the huge run on it. His intransigence cost NZL tens perhaps hundreds of millions of dollars.

It took Jim McLay to front up and tell him it was all over rover. Act or face a caucus revolt.

While David Parker and the majority of the Labour caucus have clearly walked away from Cunliffe the dynamics of how the Labour Party selects its parliamentary leader are such that Cunliffe could very well end up back in charge.

There is no mechanism within Labour for a Jim McLay type 'come to Jesus' talk.

I suspect they will come to regret that at their leisure.

gravedodger said...

@ Jamie you lost me.
No need to shout either.

The Veteran said...

Gueeez ... it's now getting even more bizarre. It's now reported that Cunliffe has offered the Labour Party Maori caucus the carrot of co-deputy leader for one of their members should they decided to support him.

John Cleese couldn't have written the script better.

Jamie said...


David Cunliffe $$$ offshore bank account=throw the election.

SORRY MAN I can see through his acting. IT STINKS!!!

You follow my drift now?

Paranormal said...

Vet, with such a small caucus is it possible that Cunliffe could be the leader and the rest could be co-deputies? Just saying...

Carlos said...

Veteran sees a similarity between Cunliffe's position now, and Muldoon's in 1984:
"Methinks there is a certain synergy between where Cunliffe is right now and the refusal of Muldoon to accept the reality of his 1984 defeat and devalue the currency despite the huge run on it. His intransigence cost NZL tens perhaps hundreds of millions of dollars."

The two situations are quite different.
Chris Trotter, who accurately recalls events of the past, had this conversation with a commenter named Kat who laid the 1984 devaluation saga blame at Muldoon's door (as does Veteran apparently).

"Chris Trotter said...
No, Kat, what nearly bankrupted the country was Roger Douglas's "accidental" release of Labour's plans to devalue the currency by 20 percent.

Those holding US Dollars, UK Pounds and Japanese Yen held off exchanging them for NZ Dollars until the devaluation was complete and netted themselves approximately $NZ700 million in windfall profits.

That's how Labour began in 1984 - and that is how it went on.

The neoliberal ideology which underpinned the Fourth Labour Government must be thrown overboard, but it looks as though it will not be Mr Parker who does it.

October 13, 2012 11:02 PM
Kat said...
Yes, Chris, there was a 'media' rumour that Labour may devalue if they won the election however, my recollection of the events were that the Reserve Bank had advised Muldoon to devalue, which Muldoon refused to do, and that was prior to the snap election announcement. The run on the dollar then ensued driven by currency speculators gambling on a devaluation. Nothing Mr Key was involved in of course.

I may be wrong, time can test the memory, at times.

October 13, 2012 11:58 PM
Chris Trotter said...
No, Kat, there was no "rumour". Roger Douglas "inadvertently" left a strategy paper behind at an election meeting in which the 20 percent devaluation was clearly signaled.

The Reserve Bank advised a devaluation only at the point where the corporate sector's deliberate with-holding of overseas currency in anticipation of devaluation, coupled with a run on the NZ dollar, had thrown the NZ economy into a severe (albeit temporary) crisis.

Muldoon pleaded with Lange not to give in to the speculators - to no avail.

Labour's first act was to give these "patriots" a $NZ700 million windfall.

When Parliament's Finance Select Committee, chaired by Jim Anderton, launched an investigation into the devaluation crisis, Lange and Douglas ordered it shut down."


Muldoon had argued that "the corporate sector's deliberate with-holding of overseas currency in anticipation of devaluation" would end with a definitive statement from Labour that devaluation was not going to happen.
Veteran may recall that immediately after Labour had devalued the dollar by 20%, Douglas floated the NZ Currency. Within 12 months the NZ dollar returned to its pre-devaluation level, proof that the political intervention on the currency was wrong.

Muldoon argued for what he believed was the best position for the New Zealand. (With some degree of vindication, Veteran?)

Cunliffe's posturing seems comparatively shallow and personal.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...


Yes I get your drift.

You're drifting into insanity.

Cunliffe throw an election?

Paranormal said...

Carlos - Trotter is too ideologically blinkered to see the present clearly let alone remember accurately.

In his biography of Muldoon, Gustafson clearly notes that Treasury and the reserve bank had been advising devaluation for some time. Corporates were leaving their money overseas for a range of reasons, mainly because fortress NZ under Muldoon was bankrupt.

The main reason the currency returned to close to pre-devaluation levels once it was floated was because of the freeing up of the economy. You can label it anything you want, neoliberal is fine, but what Lange/Douglas did was absolutely required. If they hadn't we would have had statutory management from the world bank which would have been way more ruthless than anything a New Zealand politician could arrange.

I do agree with you however in that there is no resemblance between Cunliffe and Muldoon. Muldoon tenaciously fought his corner (no matter how wrong he may have been). Cunliffe on the other hand will fight any corner without any qualms whatsoever.

Jamie said...

Word to the wise bud....Money talks, B.S walks, and there ain't nothing in this life for free.

Why do you say this 'You're drifting into insanity.'???
(ouch low-blow bro)
It is not really a stretch of the imagination to think a politician would take a bribe.

How else do you explain David Cunliffe's performance?
Huh hot shot???

Insane to me was this bloke even getting a shot at the title!

Jamie said...

Tony Montana: Hey, Dave, you're a piece of sh*t.

David Cunliffe: What are you talking about?

Tony Montana: You know what I'm taking about about, you f***n cockroach.


Jamie said...

“If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.”
― Winston Churchill