Monday, May 26, 2014

ON IMMIGRATION ... CUNLIFFE vs PETERS ... SPOT THE DIFFERENCE

because I can't.    This time every election cycle, the Rt (Dis) Hon Winston Peters can be guaranteed to urge his ragtag band of geriatric supporters to man the barricades and be prepared to do battle against the 'yellow peril' threatening our very survival.   And, to be fair, his rant has produced electoral dividends from the unthinking and xenophobic that go to bed every night believing he is the 'new' Messiah .... oooops, new as in old and slightly tarnished (and let's not mention the $155k).

And now Cunliffe, to his everlasting shame, has jumped (unwanted I suspect) on the Peters train.   

Let's be very clear.   His comments are unashamedly directed at the Asian community.   Easy targets, much like the Jews were under Hitler.    But let's be equally clear ... on virtually every societal measure the Asian community holds its own (and sometime betters) other NZL ethnic groupings.    In the main our Asian community is industrious, law abiding, well educated, motivated to succeed and skilled.    I can't but help contrast that with Hone's bunch, mired as they are in the grievance and hand-out mode.

Desperate politicians do desperate things.    At least Peters is consistent with his hate-mongering.
The only thing consistent about Cunliffe is his inconsistency.   NZL and Labour deserve better.




15 comments:

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

The difference?

Cunliffe is white, Peters is black.

Psycho Milt said...

Let's be very clear: National has done well out of immigration policy that consists of selling NZ residency to rich foreigners, and does not want that revenue stream interfered with in any way. And let's be equally clear: many government MPs are benefiting financially from Asian property investors driving Auckland house prices up, so people threatening that investment need to be smeared tout suite with whatever comes to hand - 'racism' will do nicely...

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Milt, your use of the opening phrase 'let's be very clear' is unfortunate. It is the the stock in trade of a certain black arsed jackass whose credibility these days is zero.

The Veteran said...

PM ... I really thought you were better than that. Still, if you are comfortable jumping on the Peters bandwagon and adding your own unsubstantiated slurs against unnamed National MPs then who am I to stop you.

Perhaps to be consistent you should advocate banning 'them' from our universities too or is that a bridge too far? ... nah, it suits academia to take their dosh and heaven forbid that 'they' might just want to live here.

Pardon me, you slip is showing.

Psycho Milt said...

You Godwined your own post, such was your enthusiasm for smearing Labour - with a bar set that low, any smears of National in the comments are to be expected.

Also: if you're going to talk about Labour's policy as 'banning' immigrants, I'll start referring to National's policy as 'open borders' - one isn't any more wrong than the other, after all.

The Veteran said...

PM ... Godwinned ... your call, for myself I thought it was a pretty good analogy.

Must say I'm heartened that James Caygill, tribal Labour and son of a sometime Labour Finance Minister, feels the same way about Cunliffe as I do.

Great to note that some from the dark sided of politics continue to maintain their integrity even when their (temporary) leader 'struggles' with his..

JC said...

Milt,

As a few people have opined migration policy is a bit like an ocean liner.. by the time it takes to do a 180 the problem has resolved itself.

Cunliffe has beclowned himself on this variously quoting net and gross figures to different audiences.

But from my pov the worst mistake has been to ignore the fact that Labour signed the FTA with China and didn't anticipate a much greater Chinese interest in NZ? I can hardly beleive thatClark, Goff and Cunliffe didn't anticipate a higher migration from China and saw it as a good thing.. the only thing they might have missed is Chinese migrants would spread their dosh towards the most competent party that supported their ambitions. Cunliffe may have lost the traditional support for Labour from the Asian and possibly PI population with this kneejerk U-turn.

JC

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Cunliffe has adopted the Clark strategy for losing elections. Remember how every time she opened her mouth she denigrated yet another group in the community? First it was Maoris, then it was accountants, then it was golfers, then it was ... ................................

Psycho Milt said...

...I thought it was a pretty good analogy.

Let's see: in response to a big increase in net migration, Labour suggests tightening the residence criteria to reduce the numbers coming in. You feel that a pretty good analogy for this policy is the attempted extermination of European Jewry by working them to death in slave labour camps or killing them outright. Seriously?

Anonymous said...

PM ... today you blame 'them' for all our ills (which is a pretty stupid position to take because the facts just don't support that) ... Hitler got to power playing on similar emotions. Ok, he went several steps further but his start point was the same.

BTW ... who signed the FTA with China?

sigh

The Veteran said...

PM .... Hitler said 'blame the Jews'.
Cunliffe said 'blame the Asians'.
Spot the diff, I can't.

Oh, silly me, Hitler went a couple of steps further so that puts Cunliffe in the clear ... don't think so.

Psycho Milt said...

This is getting ridiculous. First off, Cunliffe said "Blame the Asians" only in your fevered imagination.

Second, if you're claiming, like Prime Liar John Key, that increasing numbers of immigrants mostly settling in Auckland doesn't have any significant effect on property prices there, you need to come up with some kind of mechanism to account for that unexpected outcome. According to economic theory, increasing population = increasing demand for housing = increasing prices for housing; in Auckland, we're seeing increasing population via immigration and increasing house prices, but according to you and the Liar-in-Chief the two aren't related so economic theory is wrong. Don't expect to be taken seriously unless you can explain how economics is wrong on this point.

Last but not least, you're comparing ordinary, basic immigration controls with Nazism. National, the current government, applies such ordinary, basic immigration controls exactly as Labour would, with some minor differences in residence criteria. Which, according to your statements, makes the current Prime Minister John Key a modern equivalent of Adolf Hitler. Again: seriously?

The Veteran said...

PM ... I agree, ridiculus, but when your man plays the race card don't cry poor when you get a robust response.

Did it to Peters and Cunliffe deserves nothing more and certainly nothing less.

And now we have your poster boy refusing to talk numbers ... and you wonder why some big Labour names are in open revolt.

I should be cheering if it wasn't so sad.

Psycho Milt said...

You still haven't come up with any plausible explanation for your accusations of "blaming Asians" or "playing the race card."

The Veteran said...

PM ... no doubt you would dismiss any attempt by me to give a rationale explanation as biased so I won't bother ... can I instead refer you to James Caygill ... one of yours I think.