Thursday, April 10, 2014

"That, to my mind, is a very unsatisfactory answer"


That's how the Speaker of the House described the Minister of Justice's refusal to answer questions about the dinner she attended with officials of Oravida and a Chinese border control official, in particular her refusal to identify the agency the Chinese official works for or whether it is an agency that "has influence over whether or not Oravida's products can enter China."

Having pronounced the Minister's refusal to answer unsatisfactory, the Speaker pointed out that "the public will judge that for themselves."  Thanks for that invitation, Mr Speaker. I judge there must be absolutely career-ending reasons why a person wouldn't want to answer those questions.


13 comments:

smttc said...

Milt unfortunately you have apparently lost your intuition and therefore do not get that the sheeple could not give a shit about this beltway issue.

Do you seriously think the sheeple give a shit about who Collins had dinner with in China when the only winner was NZ inc?

Psycho Milt said...

Corruption isn't a "beltway issue." I get that most people neither know nor care if ministers use their positions for personal benefit, but readers of this blog can be assumed to have a greater interest in politics than most people.

The Ghost Of Greenwood said...

Collins was at the meeting using her capacity as a Minister of the Crown to pull sway with Chinese customs officials to ensure that the products produced by her husbands company got thru the door. And since the CEO of said company donated $56k to National, then why not? These Chinese klepocrats don't donate to political parties out of the goodness of their hearts, you know - they expect their pound of flesh sooner or later.


But I'm sure that the National fanboi's who operate this site will keep on turning a blind eye to it.

James Stephenson said...

" I get that most people neither know nor care if ministers use their positions for personal benefit"

Nah Milt, see I reckon that most people know that there are personal benefit perks that come with being at the top end of politics, Government or Opposition, and they don't particularly care as long as the personal interest bit aligns with the national interest.

That's the reason Labour are getting no traction with this, Oravida may have benefited, Collins may have benefited but so did every other Kiwi food producer that sells into the Chinese market.

On Labour's standards, we may as well demand that Nathan Guy steps down because, as a farmer, he's got a "conflict" of interests with being the Minister for Primary Industries

Angry Tory said...

That's the thing about the rightards, they're simple, greedy and venal.

Naa. We're not simple.

Paulus said...

Anything to stop the possibility of Collins becoming leader of the National Party.
Keep smearing - at least we know that Robertson will never become leader of Labour.

Psycho Milt said...

Nah Milt, see I reckon that most people know that there are personal benefit perks that come with being at the top end of politics, Government or Opposition, and they don't particularly care as long as the personal interest bit aligns with the national interest.

Judith Collins strongly disagrees. If she thought you were right, she'd have answered the questions and toughed it out.

Also: it is in no sense whatsoever in the national interest to adopt corrupt Chinese methods of doing business - quite the contrary in fact.

Keep smearing - at least we know that Robertson will never become leader of Labour.

What "smearing?" Collins' answers speak for themselves.

James Stephenson said...

" If she thought you were right, she'd have answered the questions and toughed it out. "

Or she could just be digging her heels in on principle that she doesn't have to answer questions about a private dinner, and she's not going to be bullied into it by the Labour Party.

You'd have to say that would be her style, wouldn't you?

Psycho Milt said...

Well, let's see. There are a few alternatives here:

1. The Chinese official was from an agency unrelated to Oravida's business and unable to benefit Oravida, in which case Collins magnanimously passed up a perfect opportunity to reveal those facts and make Labour's front bench look like bullying fuckwits. Passing up such an opportunity would certainly not be her style.

2. The Chinese official was from an agency unrelated to Oravida's business and unable to benefit Oravida, but Collins' truculent determination not to respond to questions from Opposition MPs means she doesn't mind voters assuming she's corrupt. Given her overweening self-regard and arrogance, that one's almost plausible - however, she's also ambitious and anything but stupid, so it's just not plausible enough to take seriously.

3. The Chinese official is well placed to influence Oravida's ability to import goods into China, in which case having that made public would finish Collins' political career so of course she's not going to make it public.

I know which one I'd put money on.

Adrian said...

>That's the reason Labour are getting no traction with this, Oravida may have benefited, Collins may have benefited but so did every other Kiwi food producer that sells into the Chinese market.

Quite wrong. Unless Collins clarifies who the official was and what was discussed it seems most likely that it was only her husband's business that benefited, at the expense of 'every other Kiwi food producer'. There's a name for that.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Adrian

Do you push shit uphill for a living?

Edward the Confessor said...

It's funny to see the right-wing intelligentsia on this site tie themselves in knots to justify and condone corruption (James Stephenson was particularly hilarious) before finally resorting to childish abuse.

Alan Beck said...

Smmt, I really hope your attitude is not current left thinking.