Tuesday, April 29, 2014

Maybe they Are Just Inveterate Liars



Many Socialists have given extraordinary military service throughout New Zealand history.

However amongst Politicians there is a gulf filled with remarkable hypocrisy.

In WW1 many of the leading lights of the socialists yet to become a cohesive force as the NZLP, were trenchant opponents of conscription, with some choosing jail for sedition, jail for refusing to be called up, aided and abbetted draft dodgers and sought exemptions for their own kin.
20 years on and those same courageous men including Peter Frazer,  Paddy Webb, Bob Semple, Mark Fagan, Walter Nash, Tim Armstrong, all sat at the Cabinet table with Frazer the Prime Minister and supported introduction of conscription in 1940 and Semple drew the first marble for the ballot.
A very good fit for Groucho Marx and his great quote " I have principles and if you dont like them I have others."

Then in more recent memory a previous anti war protester Helen Elizabeth Clark had no qualms celebrating the award of a well deserved VC for Willy Apiata, for publicity and to make for more revealing partisanship declined to allow any opposition participation by members of the opposition.

Today the temporary leader of the NZLP has been exposed by Slater on his blog Whaleoil for being very flexible in his speech to young Labour in claiming his Grandad as part of an exemplary WW1 record, having won the Military Medal. If Cam is correct in reading war records it was not" my grandfather Bob Tuke" but another Tuke who may or may not be related.
Cunliffe did not need to elaborate or embellish Bob Tukes five years of service that had sufficient merit, but the guy apparently just cannot help himself. Just as with his now infamous CV the true facts were not enough.

Throughout the Viet Nam war, protest was full on and included among the more fervent were many later mainstream NZLP MPs who equally had little trouble in sending our troops into danger, conveniently forgetting how they spat on returning troops from the Viet Nam theater.
I understand how idealistic shallow youth with no understanding of history  can be caught up in anti war hysteria, god knows many returned men had an equal abhorrence of the ghastly truth around the depredations of war in later years but some of the road to Damascus conversions that occur for so many socialist politicians are very vomit inducing to put it mildly.

They are so fortunate their falsehoods, manipulation of truth and blatant hypocrisy are never questioned by what passes for fact checking by journalists c2014.


12 comments:

Psycho Milt said...

20 years on and those same courageous men including Peter Frazer, Paddy Webb, Bob Semple, Mark Fagan, Walter Nash, Tim Armstrong, all sat at the Cabinet table with Frazer the Prime Minister and supported introduction of conscription in 1940 and Semple drew the first marble for the ballot.

A very good fit for Groucho Marx and his great quote " I have principles and if you dont like them I have others."


You're confusing these guys with John Key - that's his motto.

As you pointed out, these men were socialists. Socialists accurately assessed WW1 as a dispute among imperialists, involving the citizen only as cannon-fodder. They much-less-accurately assessed WW2 as an existential fascist threat to civilisation that required total commitment to its defeat. That they completely opposed conscription for the one and supported it for the other is hardly surprising. Whether they were right or not is open to dispute, but it's idle ignorance to attribute their actions to a lack of principles.

Also: I presume the 'courageous' bit is intended to be sarcastic, which is pretty obnoxious - if you think it didn't take courage to be a conscientious objector in WW1, you want your head read.

Throughout the Viet Nam war, protest was full on and included among the more fervent were many later mainstream NZLP MPs who equally had little trouble in sending our troops into danger...

You'll recall the same MPs rejected outright contributing troops to the invasion of Iraq. This is because politicians who aren't stuffed shirts devote some thought to whether there is sufficient justification to wage war against another country. This may lead them to oppose participation in imperialist invasions like the ones of Vietnam and Iraq, while accepting participation in the one of Afghanistan. Whether they were right open to dispute, but etc.

...shallow youth with no understanding of history...

can turn into shallow old age with no understanding of history if one isn't careful.

The Veteran said...

Thank you PM but you skate over the point of the post completely (or deliberately) ... Cunliffe being Cunliffe.

Not content with turning up late for the Titirangi service where he was to be the guest speaker and too cheapskate to buy a poppy he then proceeds to show contempt and disrespect for the proceedings by texting during the service and then, to cap it all off and in an attempt to further leech off the honourable service of his WW1 Grandfather he ascribes to him the award of the Military Medal (MM).

Mr Tuke served his country well and Cunliffe should be rightly proud of that. But there is no excuse for him seeking to guild the lilly at his grandfather's expense because, in doing so, he dishonours him.

But this 'sadly' is par for the course for Cunliffe; caught out embellishing his 'Harvard' degree, his major role in the establishment of Fonterra - not, his non work at the Auckland City Mission and now this ... spot the pattern!

Bob Tuke deserves better, Labour deserves better. NZ deserves better. The problem is Cunliffe and an ego that matches Shane Jones.

Psycho Milt said...

I hardly ever read Whaleoil and certainly wouldn't take anything in it at face value, so that part of the post wasn't of interest to me.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Milt, perhaps you should read Whaleoil more often. Unlike Cunliffe's retorts, Whale's reports turn out to be true more often than not.

The Veteran said...

PM ... problem is that Cunliffe (no, lets get this right ... a spokesman for Cunliffe) said that he admits he got it wrong and confused his grandfathers war service medals with the Military Medal.

Even that tells you something. Cunliffe not man enough to front up on the issue. Sends a lackey over the top and into the firing line.

Sad.

Barnsley Bill said...

And now the papers have pinched the Whaleoil story and Cunliffe is squirming.
It appears the default position of Cunliffe is to lie and embellish at every turn

Psycho Milt said...

Ah, I see. Others have responded to the smear attempt here: http://thestandard.org.nz/david-cunliffes-grandfathers-medals/

Paranormal said...

"you'll recall the same MPs rejected outright contributing troops to the invasion of Iraq."

But they had no problem sending troops to Afghanistan because of Helen's appalling diplomatic faux pas in dissing George W.

The Veteran said...

PM ... so you admit to hardly reading Whaleoil and that the Strandard is your bible.

Funny that WhaleOil is the countries premier blog while the Strandard's appeal is only 11% that of WOBH. Seems voterland has sussed out which of the two is the more credible.

But, back to main story ... just how many ways can you spell slam dunk and how is it that such a deeply flawed person could ever make it to the top in the Labour Party?

Wussel and that other sheila will be laughing all the way to the next poll.

Psycho Milt said...

I am so not going to discuss Whaleoil or the Standard with you.

But, back to main story ... just how many ways can you spell slam dunk and how is it that such a deeply flawed person could ever make it to the top in the Labour Party?

The main story about Cunliffe mixing up which medal was given to his grandfather and which to his great uncle upwards of 90 years ago? Seriously? You'd think he'd been caught lying about holding significant numbers of Tranzrail shares while making decisions affecting its share price or something...

Reg said...

"passing" but you get the picture

The Veteran said...

PM ... I can agree that as an one-off it is not that much of a big deal but, coupled with his other transgressions on ANZAC Day and the embellishing of his c.v. he is the gift that keeps on coming to the National Party and must surely have the two-thirds of his parliamentary colleagues who did not vote for him (and some of the 32% that did) wringing their hands is despair.

And the winners ... National, Greens and Winston First.