Wednesday, March 12, 2014

NOW AIN'T THAT THE TRUTH

Just when you thought things couldn't get any worse for Labour and along comes this from media commentator and Labour Party stalwart Chris Trotter on his blog 'Bowalley Road'.

You can read his prediction that the election is all over bar the counting here.

With friends like Chris, Labour certainly doesn't need too many more enemies.

14 comments:

Watcher said...

"...deliver John Key an unparalleled National victory and the psephologists a record low turnout."

Well I've been predicting the latter for some time. Didn't know that I was psephologist just stating the obvious.

Which will put a new spin on mandate.

Unknown said...

"Labour Party stalwart Chris Trotter"

Huh?

The last time that Chris was a member of the Labour party was a few days after Anderton split off a new party in 1989.

Of course I should be charitable as I suppose it is feasible that you are a just a child who was barely born then.

But really I just think you are probably just another lazy fool who writes without even making a pretence at research or thinking. Member of the National (lazy dimwit) party perhaps?

The Veteran said...

Unknown 11.03 .... silly old me and I thought there had been a rapprochement.

'Stalwart of the Left' then ... does meet your sensitivities (if not your sensibilities)?

Talk about shooting the Messenger.

sigh

Anonymous said...

My perception of Chris Trotter is that he has been one of a rare breed...a leftie with the sbility to reason.

Cadwallader

The Veteran said...

Cadwallader ... and that is why I read his blog. Might not always agree but certainly worth noting.

Angry Tory said...

You can read his prediction that the election is all over bar the counting here.


of course it is. The polls basically haven't moved since 2007: the country prefers a John Key National government governing significantly to the left of Helen Clark's Labour government

As Key moves to coƶpt pretty much every Labour policy - paid parental leave, gay marriage, no tax cuts, benefit increases, WFF, student loans, KiwiBank, KiwiRail, no more asset sales -
except of course Labour's right wing ones (like raising the super age, letting the smelter go bankrupt and the movies go overseas, not doing any Maori settlements, sending Tame Iti millions of dollars instead of hundred of Armed Constabulary)

The question is not: how is a Labour defeat a defeat for the left

The question is: how is a National win a win for the right?

Because if you look at actual policies, actual spending, National is taxing and spending and borrowing far more than Clark ever did.

And the only criticisms of Key that Cunliffe (or Shearer) ever manage to land are critiques from the right

Hell if ACT campaigned on raising the super age & no more sweetheart deals for businesses - they could support Labour more easily than National.

The Veteran said...

Angry Tory ... Ok, so in your lexicon no GFC and no Canterbury earthquake. That puts you 4 square in the Labour Camp.

So, give back your tax cut, continue to believe that Gay marriage was not a conscience vote, oppose benefit reform, explain to me who in their right mind would buy KiwiRail, sabotage the asset sale programme and consign Tiwai Point to the history books just as world aluminium prices start to recover.

Tory Not. Labour, sure sounds like it.

Angry Tory said...

no GFC and no Canterbury earthquake

What's that to do with anything. The question is how do you respond to those events:

a) Slash spending and slash taxes

b) Borrow & hope.

Key borrowed & hoped. the GCF & Christchurch were a once-in-a-generation chance to remake NZ, to slash welfare and dependency and taxes.

Instead, Key borrowed upwards of 70 Billion - and is still borrowing - to run policies even more leftwing than Clark.

give back your tax cut

Give back your GST Hike! NZ's mean tax burden is as high as it has ever been, and higher than under Clark (fiscal drag).

continue to believe that Gay marriage was not a conscience vote

because Key let it be a conscience vote.

oppose benefit reform

I oppose benefit renaming benefits for the sake of it. Dole bludgers are dole bludgers not "jobseekers".

explain to me who in their right mind would buy KiwiRail,

noone - which is why it should be closed and sold for scrap. Perhaps TOLL< or perhaps a tourist company could buy the right-of-way.

consign Tiwai Point to the history books just as world aluminium prices start to recover.

Which part of "don't pick winners" don't you understand.

Psycho Milt said...

Veteran: "Angry Tory" has spent years perfecting a piece of performance art in which he portrays a psychotic right-wing extremist. He's developed the role on this and other blogs (and our predecessor blog) since at least 2006. From his character's pov, National is to the left.

Paranormal said...

PM and Vet, there is some validity in what Angry Tory says, just that he says it in an angry way. Something to do with the name perhaps?

Although National are considered right wing, in comparison they are to the left of even the US Democrats.

National did miss a huge opportunity for reform when the GFC hit. They had a mandate to right Liarbours wrongs of the previous nine years. Instead they chose to embed Liarbour policy settings. If they had taken us back to 2005 levels of government spending (as Brash promoted) the country would be in a far better position now with more employment and less inflationary pressures due to the fiscal drag of a heavy tax burden.

Whilst Key is a popular prime minister, I don't think history will be very kind to his three (and who knows maybe even four) terms of government.

Psycho Milt said...

National did miss a huge opportunity for reform when the GFC hit.

They did miss an opportunity to tank the economy with austerity measures and ensure they were a one-term government, yes - but I doubt it's an opportunity they regret passing up.

Anonymous said...

From his character's pov, National is to the left

National is sufficiently far to the left that Kathryn Ryan repeatedly called Key a communist to his face. Key was unable to answer.

Although National are considered right wing, in comparison they are to the left of even the US Democrats.

ACT are to the left of the US Democrats.

Considered objectively, that is by their enacted polices and not their rhetoric, Key's government is significantly to the left of Clark's labour government.

I really don't know what's more pathetic: the chest-beating at Bowalley road, or the "we've killed socialism in NZ" triumphalism at Whaleoil. Neither is true: Clark's policies have been rendered untouchable, and in new initiatives, Key continues to move left.

In the news again today: Labour attacking National on borrowing 70 billion and the Oravida scandal - these are right-wing critiques. Richard Prebble would have said exactly the same things.

Paranormal said...
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Paranormal said...

PM, if they had grasped the nettle, with Key's affability and keeping the public informed, they would have been re-elected with an increased majority - just like Lange was. They may have even made a fourth term as we wouldn't have the inflationary pressures and high level of debt to contend with. It's not as if they've got any opposition to be afraid of....

BTW it's not Austerity measures that tank an economy, it's rampant tax and spend.