Thursday, January 30, 2014

GEE DIDN"T THINK THAT WAS THE MESSAGE.


Yesterday I posted, basically on the serious threat to free speech, I regard the DDOS attack on Slater's Blog WhaleOil presents as an outcome.

Not surprised at the vitriol and hatred towards Slater it generated, however very surprised at the apparent acceptance of the freedom principle I addressed, by so many  as being entirely acceptable, primarily because the main protagonist is viewed by many as an undesirable.

I wonder what would be the reaction if say, a well resourced mate of Banksie, entirely fed up with the braindead pursuit of funding involved in a failed Mayoral campaign four years ago, made a concerted attack on The Daily Blog, The Standard, Red Alert (would anyone notice) , Frogblog and the NZLP and GP websites. You see I view some of the muck flung at John Banks, someone I hold in high regard for many reasons, to be undeserved, unfair, unjustified inappropriate and totally OTT, though clealy a perceived weak point for attack to cripple Key's administration.
Maybe though, such an action would be entirely OK even though much of the opinion emanating from those sources is sometimes regarded by many, as economic sabotage, hate speech and/or downright lies.
Supporters of those websites would of course all just suck it up based on the accepted theory that such action could be justified logically and morally by the perp.

I THINK NOT.

What WhaleOil publishes is not what some consider good taste, accurate or even relevant in the opinion of some and always in the feeble minds of the disloyal opposition.
However Open Parachute's monthly rankings suggest the true remarkable success of WhaleOil.
On monthly visits it is just under a million , three times second placed Kiwi Blog who is about level with third and fourth combined,
When Pageviews are used WO is way out front at nearly two million from KB at just over half a million and that is barely headed by combining third and fourth.
Whatever the political persuasion of the hundreds of thousands who view those top four political blogs might be, it should be of concern that such a popular resource can be taken out without the damage to the information flow even mattering.

I am one of a growing number of people who having abandoned the dead tree press, over a decade ago, keep abreast of the world via blogs and other media on line and often it is a blog that triggers a wider search for additional info.

Some may discount WO as of any value, they may hate CS and all he represents but to dismiss the mindless serious threats as (a) deserved, (b) unfounded,  (c) unlikely or (d) not valid, spare a moment to consider the tragedy that unfolded in St Leonards on Otago Harbour when a nutter fulfilled the promise made to Kill his own kids to get back at their mother, his ex partner.
His threats were not acted on for a number of reasons but those two innocent children are now still quite dead.

Hate is a terrible and insidious thing and although politics can inflame passions markedly, murder, rape, thuggery, stalking, or any other serious retribution issued as threats is never OK in a civilised society.

My faith in the basic good in human nature has been somewhat shaken in recent days, "take it easy out there people."

16 comments:

Angry Tory said...

Free speech is speech that promotes and defends freedom.

The Daily Blog, The Standard, Red Alert (would anyone notice) , Frogblog and the NZLP and GP websites

If NZ really believed in freedom, all of those websites would be banned.

Whatever the political persuasion of the hundreds of thousands who view those top four political blogs

It's clear that Whale represents the freedom-loving minority of NZ. In every other Western country there is UKIP, True Finns, Alternative Für Deutschland, Front Nationale, Five Star, Golden Dawn - parties that get 10-20% of the vote. Yes even in communist Denmark and Sweden and the Netherlands.

If Whale's family wasn't so blue-blood national - Whale would be leading NZ's third party by now, with 10-15% of the vote easily, and we'd be looking at a Key+Whale government and and end to welfare. Whale is NZ's Beppe Grillo,
he will wake up, realise Key is Hellen in drag, then he will be PM one day.

Watcher said...

Gezz stop beating it up to something more than it was.
A simple DDoS, one of the many that are happening in cyberspace every day.

As posted earlier there was a simple preventative measure that the blubber site didn't use.

"Shane Ponting said...
It is actually possible to mitigate a DDoS onslaught, and if Slater doesn't care to either demand that level of care from his host or invest more time in the details himself - then I've got limited sympathy.

Google DDoS proof webhost or DDoS protection. Plenty of smart geeks out there to help you stay available."

January 29, 2014 at 7:30 PM

Barnsley Bill said...

Perhaps your faith in human nature was fatally flawed and you are now seeing things the way they really are.
We are a thin veneer from descent into chaos all the time.
On the subject of the tsunami of hate directed at Cam over the last week. His post was no more extreme than many others he has run over the last year or so. The reaction this time was probably overdue.
I am more concerned by the deliberate sabotage of his website.
The two issues are in now way related in my opinion.
He has made a few high profile people look like twats recently. One of them has the means, contacts and mindset to have a DDOS attack launched.
You can guarantee that if Cam manages to restore his site the reaction from him will be equally massive.

Barnsley Bill said...

Apologies fro spelling and grammar. Blame Steve Jobs.

Ciaron said...

If Whale's family wasn't so blue-blood national - Whale would be leading NZ's third party by now, with 10-15% of the vote easily,...

I don't think so, Tim.

Anonymous said...

A good post that needed writing.

As is often said, the problem with defending free speech is that you always end up defending extremists.

I don't consider it irrelevant that a popular blog is out of action, as I am overseas & use blogs as a news source.

Whaleoil was consistently breaking new stories & other news sources were generally at least a day behind. I haven't read a newspaper in ages & I find MSN is just dull, non-controversial & slower than a wet week in some god-forsaken small town.

I don't read or agree with everything he writes & generally only read the ones with heaps of comments, hence I only ever glanced at the offending article.

I think a few people had needed to step away from the keyboard for a bit before they wrote something that is out there forever & can't be removed.

Odd Ball

PaulL said...

@gravedodger: I'm not entirely convinced that the comments I saw align to the post you've written.

I saw a number on the left saying "not a big fan of DDOS, but not going to lose any sleep over Whaleoil because I think he's a prick."

And a few claiming that there are simple methods to avoid a DDOS attack so they have not so much sympathy for someone who didn't take basic precautions. (I note that when I visit Whaleoil I hit a cloudflare front page, which is in fact exactly a DDOS prevention service, so it's not that he hasn't tried, it's just that it didn't work).

I think they are both somewhat reasonable positions. If things were reversed, and thestandard were down through a DDOS, I'd probably have a similar reaction. I don't agree with people pushing a DDOS, but shit like that does happen on the internet. And I'd have a certain sense of schadenfreude about that - in other words, I'd find it to be kinda funny to see the self proclaimed world's greatest sysadmin having his site down.

Does that make me a bad person? Maybe. But I suspect I'd be in good company with that reaction.

Sorry, I don't have it in me to pillory people for a having the exact same reaction that I'd have if the shoe was on the other foot.

PaulL said...

But, on another front. Kiwiblog is still down for me. Is that the same for everyone, and does anyone have any information about what's going on there?

Whaleoil I don't so much care about, I never visit anyway. But I do visit kiwiblog regularly, so it's annoying when it's not there.

I'm assuming that it's the same cause - a DDOS - and that the fact that both whale and DPF are down is suggesting something a bit more widespread than someone retaliating against Whale for his comments. Perhaps the german does have his finger in this pie?

Paulus said...

I heard the mother of teenage boy who was killed rage at Whale, as she now knew Whale's father was a leading light in the National Party.
He has not been for many years, but she screamed that as if it was Whale's fault her lovely little boy was going to the dairy to get fizzy pop and go to a party.
She did not say that he got into the car at 10.45pm with a drunk driver, an was his seat belt on ?

Anonymous said...

Are Dairies really open at 10.45pm on the West Coast?
I doubt it and smell bullshit.

Psycho Milt said...

But, on another front. Kiwiblog is still down for me. Is that the same for everyone, and does anyone have any information about what's going on there?

Seems to be working OK for me - the posts I'm seeing weren't there yesterday, so it's not a cached version. Looking at it in Chrome for Android via a home network on Telecom.

Psycho Milt said...

I heard the mother of teenage boy who was killed rage at Whale...

What? The mother is angry at a man who called her recently-killed son a 'feral' whose death was a good thing? Go figure...

She did not say that he got into the car at 10.45pm with a drunk driver, an was his seat belt on ?

Maybe she figures it's none of our business.

Ciaron said...

But, on another front. Kiwiblog is still down for me. Is that the same for everyone, and does anyone have any information about what's going on there?

I can't get it to go, using both ie and chrome here...

Anyway some thoughts on the post;

Are death and rape threats acceptable? No. Not ever.

Is Cam ultimately responisble for the recieved threats? No. But, he did instigate them (in my estimation)

Did what he do justify DDos? Until we know who did it, the why is speculation.

Lesson: just because you've found a niche being edgy and abrasive, doesn't mean you have to be an arsehole 24/7, especially when someone has just died.

Edward the Confessor said...

Slater's right to say what he likes remains in tact. The fact his fuckwitted blog has been attacked is something I am, to coin a phrase, relaxed about. This is because it adds nothing to anything. It's funny to see you all on your mighty high horses though. Maybe he should publish a pamphlet instead.

Edward the Confessor said...

It has nothing to do with the way the state and its government are constituted, Mark (you need a dictionary, pal). It affects no one in any concrete way. It's a silly distraction - the sort of thing Key specialises in.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Too dumb even to know which thread he's on.