Sunday, January 15, 2012

Don't waste money on stupidity.

When you live on an island, water hazards come with the territory.
You have to expect that a few people will always succeed in finding ways to drown.

Our news is full of news of people fulfilling that fact.
But drownings seem to be reported as the result of tragic accidents.

The truth is most are the result of tragic stupidity.
Swimming in rough conditions, not recognising rips or outside the flags, fishing off rocks in heavy seas, tying fishing nets to legs, no lifejackets in boats, crossing flooded rivers.............

Spending even more taxpayers money on water safety will never solve stupidity.

13 comments:

Judge Holden said...

Yes it will. I know right-wingers disdain science, knowledge and rationality, relying instead on truthiness, but what I don't understand is why. Why Lou?

Lou Taylor said...

You can lead horses to water Holden but you can't make them drink.

Judge Holden said...

You can lead a tory to logic Lou, but you can't make it think.

Lou Taylor said...

Actually Holden I am very happy to contribute to teaching kids to swim and hopefully some water safety sense but when adults drown from stupidity then that is beyond the realms of taxpayer responsibility.

pdm said...

Do all schools include teaching kids to swim as part of their PE programme?

If not why not?

Anonymous said...

You can lead a leftie to the light, but you can't remove his blinders

Anonymous said...

Holden as a died in the wool leftie are you just agin whatever is written here?

You say gummint needs to spend more on training to save lives for water safety. Yet you say the opposite for road safety? Reason and logic don't appear to be your strong suits.

Paranormal

Mort said...

it's apparent modus operandi is just to slag anybody and anything off, it doesn't have actual ideas, those things are too complex for it to comprehend... the frightening reality of the number of misheld beliefs would simply be too much for the simpleton to comprehend, or should that be the number of actual positions that it holds which are logically justifiable and soundly based are so few and far between, the poor soul's foundations would have to be rebuilt.

Judge Holden said...

"You say gummint needs to spend more on training to save lives for water safety. Yet you say the opposite for road safety?"

Seriously? Just how bad is your reading comprehension? Compulsory driver training of the kind you advocate for is counterproductive. I gave you the studies which show this. Teaching people to swim is not. Neither are road and water safety campaigns. Buy a clue.

Mort, quite honestly you're a lonely and very angry old retard. Get a life.

Anonymous said...

Soooo Judge Holden, you say there is a need to teach people to swim if they want to use the water but no need to teach people to drive if they want to use the road.

Soooo the weather over the holiday period didn't affect the road toll, we didn't have the worst holiday period toll in years, and no amount of driver training will affect that?

Your studies by people in ivory towers intent on maintaing and backing the staus quo are more accurate than people who actually put their money on the line and achieve results year after year.

Yup, you are definitely part of the problem.

Have a read of "Risk" by John Adams as a start. It may change some of your preconceptions.

Paranormal

Mort said...

I have a life, and by most measures I would hazard a bet that it has better outcomes than yours Sludge. I probably pay more tax than you earn, and with the miracles of capitalism, I help 17 families keep a roof over their heads and food on their tables, through the wonders of real jobs (although your lot's thinking is making that ever harder with the endless red-tape parades your ilk dreams up; is it really a good thing that 20% of my employees entire jobs are fulfilling the wants of bureaucrats, and the actual productive ones now have had an additional 1-2 weeks a year of box ticking added onto their terms of registration?). I Live in a bigger house bigger than town planners decree as a suitable urban section size, only work 6 months a year, am blessed with a wonderful wife, and kids who are healthier and more talented then I was at their age. So angry... not so much... bemused that someone can state Righties are lacking in logic, I will plead guilty there.

Judge Holden said...

"you say there is a need to teach people to swim if they want to use the water but no need to teach people to drive if they want to use the road."

Nope. Wrong again. Poor paranormal. Teaching people to drive is important. Forcing them to undertake the special courses you advocate is hugely expensive and increases crash rates.

"Soooo the weather over the holiday period didn't affect the road toll, we didn't have the worst holiday period toll in years, and no amount of driver training will affect that?"

Lowest road toll in 60 years though. And yep, if we did what you suggest it would make it worse. Counterproductive nanny-statism.

"Your studies by people in ivory towers intent on maintaing and backing the staus quo are more accurate than people who actually put their money on the line and achieve results year after year."

And we're back to a sneering disdain for science, knowledge and expertise. A core right-wing trait. Where's your evidence? You have none.

Mort, why are you so terribly insecure? Is it the wild-eyed paranoia? You also have resorted to the common right-wing trait of bragging at length about how rich you would like us to think you are. It's so tasteless.

Anonymous said...

"Teaching people to drive is important."
And at present we don't teach people to drive. The current requirements are simply to give people the minimum and push them out on the road in the hope they'll learn.

"Forcing them to undertake the special courses you advocate is hugely expensive and increases crash rates." No, no and No. Requiring people to take some responsibility for their abilities is non nannystatism. Real driver training may cost more than the current system but will be far cheaper on society and individuals.

And here's the kicker - "Lowest road toll in 60 years though. And yep, if we did what you suggest it would make it worse." Whilst we had a pretty mild winter it was a wet holiday period with the worst road toll over the holday period in decades. Significant indicators were the increased number of single vehicle accidents and vehicles travelling faster than the conditions allowed (note: that is different to speeding).

Holden you have bought the police and LTNZ bullshit about driver training making youth 'cocky'. Fact is they are already cocky but also with a lack of driving skill. Driver training has proven to reduce crash rates.

Want proof have a look at Dupont. A global company that doesn't buy insurance. they prefer to manage their risk and require all their drivers to undertake advanced driving courses before they can drive a company vehicle. This applies form senior execs to truck drivers right down to the office junior. Their crash rates tell the story. I have clients that manage similar outcomes. It works, its practical.

Unforturnately it leaves responsibility with the individual and doesn't give power to petty beureaucrats so is disdained by the likes of LTSA, Police and you. That is the real crux of the matter. And don't give me this intellectual integrity bullshit. Do some reading as I suggested. More evidence that biased intellectualism does occur in "The Corruption of New Zealand Democracy" or any of the climategate scandals.

Paranormal