Tuesday, January 10, 2012

Cognitive Dissonance

DPF's leading a cheerleading squad of obnoxious numbskulls at the news that Ports of Auckland is pushing ahead with de-unionisation. Apparently it's wonderful and celebratory news that yet another workforce will get its pay and conditions pushed down (their actual pay and conditions that is, rather than the fantasy pay and conditions Farrar, Whaleoil, Cactus Kate et al have been peddling).

Well, sure - there's nothing right-wingers like better than seeing workers lose, and NZ's workers have been doing a lot of that the last 30 years. Funny thing, though: the same numbskulls are given to bleating about our workers disappearing to Aus because the pay and conditions are so much better there (not least their Chief Numbskull, the Rt Hon John Key). I guess it's just a complete fucking mystery how the fuck that could possibly come about, huh?

29 comments:

Anonymous said...

Firstly, those two fat little fucks Farrar & Slater are National Party stooges, and Cactus is a snobby arrogant elitist.

I am a conservative, and when I was the union delegate on our site, I was always only interested in cutting the best deal for us, but also in the knowledge that if the employer doesn't make any money we're all screwed (mutually assured destruction, if you like) - I used to glaze ove Karl Andersen's class warfare bullshit (although on a personal level he's quite a good bloke)

Anonymous said...

a lot of farrars mob are probably jealous that the wharfies make more money than they do and didnt have to go to university and rack up a student loan on order to operate a crane or drive a straddle.

gravedodger said...

Don't forget the second "gang" who dont even attend the wharf or if they do, play cards while the first "gang are actually "working", Oh dear dear, that nice Mr Parsloe is the complete voice of reason aye.
Just like the two numbskulls who cant even pluck up sufficient courage to give an ID to their oh so brave comments.

Anonymous said...

Most online right wingers appear to be men, authoritarian, white and over 40.

Sad and bewildered, hating on the world over teh internetz.

Anonymous said...

It's just like this partial assett sale lunacy. Once the electorate finally sees through this "ma & pa investors are going to buy them" smokescreen and see the lot being hoovered up by Graeme Hart, corporate iwi & the Talleyban, National are screwed. And good job too.

Anonymous said...

What a load of old bollocks tossed around by left whingers.

PM I thought you were better than this but obviously once indoctrinated into the left you can't break the mould. Even if half what Whaleoil says is correct then the MUNZ workers really only have themselves to blame. Yes the workers are stuffed, but not by those nasty employers - but by those self-interested union thugs and bully boys trying to preserve their own existence.

The POA dispute shows the CTU claims that unions can help in improving productivity just a load of old toss from the self-interested.

As for Anon @9.02, National is stuffed if they continue with Liabours policies. Why do you think we need to sell our oh so precious assets? Even a rudimentary grasp of mathematics will show you that we can't keep spending what we haven't got. No wonder we need to sell the house to keep up with the lifestyle.

Paranormal

Mort said...

The problem PM is that the customers of the ports are not limited in their choices of entry/ exit points, as is evidenced by the shift of a couple of major users, something MUNZ has completely neglected. You can bet your house on the fact that now Napier and Tauranga have those contracts, they will do their best to keep them.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Love these comments:-

I am a Catholic Nun, and when I was the member of the gestapo, I was always only interested...


Most online left wingers appear to be juveniles transvestites, easily led, white trash and darkies, living in a dream world.

Sad and bewildered, unable to spell, hating on the real world over the internet internet.

Anonymous said...

So why is Len Brown agreeing with Farrar and Slater?

Psycho Milt said...

Even if half what Whaleoil says is correct

Let me stop you right there...

The POA dispute shows the CTU claims that unions can help in improving productivity just a load of old toss from the self-interested.

In what way? The dispute is about casualisation and contracting out, ie attempting to break the union. There's nothing about productivity involved.

The problem PM is that the customers of the ports are not limited in their choices of entry/ exit points, as is evidenced by the shift of a couple of major users, something MUNZ has completely neglected. You can bet your house on the fact that now Napier and Tauranga have those contracts, they will do their best to keep them.

Well, yes - the ports are all trying to undercut each other and the one that can drive pay and conditions lowest can presumably offer the lowest prices in the short term. But the shippers move between ports all the time - this isn't the first time Maersk and Fonterra have moved ports and won't be the last, and MUNZ has little to do with it.

So why is Len Brown agreeing with Farrar and Slater?

You know who owns Ports of Auckland, right? If you think about that real hard, you might be able to figure out the answer for yourself.

Anonymous said...

Du'oh PM. Of course de unionisation is about improving productivity. The contract workers are paid the same as unionised employees(which is one of the issues raised by MUNZ) but contract workers are more productive. No wonder POA want to go that way.

Paranormal

Psycho Milt said...

You mistake improving productivity for being able to make people do more work for worse pay and conditions, which is the purpose of de-unionisation and what PoA hopes to achieve via de-unionisation. It's a mistake that pretty much every NZ right-winger makes, and it's one reason our workforce is disappearing to Australia, where such dumbassery seems less pervasive.

Anonymous said...

Er no not at all PM. As I pointed out MUNZ themselves are complaining that non unionised workers are being paid the same. If you put away your red flag song sheet and looked at it clearly, you'd see it is all about productivity and not screwing the workers.

Paranormal

Psycho Milt said...

Oh, please. The pay rate's the same while there's a union to keep with. Get rid of the union and suddenly the need to pay people on individual contracts at such high rates disappears. What you term "productivity" goes up in the absence of a union because you're defining productivity as being able to make people work more for less ("less" here involving working conditions to a greater extent than pay). Great for the arse-polishers on the board, not so great for the rest of the country.

Lucia Maria said...

I'm with you on this one, Milt.

I'm finding all the rhetoric around this very disturbing, and am amazed that people on Farrar's blog think that what those men (presumably all men) get paid is actually a lot. It's not.

Anonymous said...

I think if you check employment law that it's illegal to reduce peoples pay rates without their agreement PM.

And no again - productivity means actually working more than 20 odd hours in a 40 hour shift.

Paranormal

Paulus said...

Parsloe thought as he/his Union had paid for both Brown's and Lee's election to the Council that he had them where he wanted them, and he may have yet

Psycho Milt said...

I think if you check employment law that it's illegal to reduce peoples pay rates without their agreement PM.

Sure it is. And it's a lot easier to get their agreement to lower wages and worse conditions when they're on individual contracts than it is when they're on a collective contract, which is the whole point of breaking the union and putting them on individual contracts. If you've been alive more than a decade or so you should be familiar enough with this - are you being deliberately obtuse?

...amazed that people on Farrar's blog think that what those men (presumably all men) get paid is actually a lot. It's not.

And even if you accept Farrar's fantasy figures for how much they earn, it's not much when you put it up against the cushy numbers Gibson and the board are on, for sure.

Anonymous said...

I suppose you're right PM - if you're stupid enough to belong to a union you're not aware of your employment rights under the law. Oh, are you a union member?

And no I'm not being obtuse. I have had employers for various reasons try this game, including when the first employment contracts act came into force. I have never had my pay reduced whilst my union member colleagues lost out big time.

Paranormal

WAKE UP said...

Farrar has gone overground and has no credibility; why is anyone bothering to read his blog at all?

Anonymous said...

This from a ship's master that uses Auckland on a regular basis. ...PoA management is a complete joke. Maersk and Fronterra shifting out has been on the cards for the last 18 months, not just the last few weeks. PoA are stuck in 1951 waterfront strike mode, same with Paslo and MUNZ. They deserve each other.

George

dad4justice said...

Thank fuck I am no part of the Farrar wimp show. What kind of wanker has David turned into big bruv gripper? Lib not well. Must go to that faggot hole Wellington and make sure things are good.

Batman will give Key a real fright, just like he did to that whore Klarkula.

Look to the sky John Boy Wimp!!

GOD SAVE NZ>

The Veteran said...

D4J surpassed himself with his 'intelligent' comment not.

Yes, the job of the Union is to get the best possible deal for its members.

Looks like they flunked 'Best possible deals 101'.

MWU inability to read the tea leaves and understand that 'users' have choices indicates just how much they are still fighting a war lost 61 years ago.

They fought containerisation while the real world passed them by.

And now, aided and abetted by those still mired in the 'class struggle' they are about to go under again.

Oh dear, how sad, never mind, move on while the Labour Party sits on the fence and 'enjoys' having its balls tweaked in both directions.

Anonymous said...

While its only the radio I listened to the union guy and the POA guy on Radio Live this afternoon. The union guy seemed not in the same league as the CEO in that he couldn't seem to state what he wanted, what the employer had offered and what the points of difference were. He seemed vague and I didn't form a view I'd want him representing me any time soon.

There was clearly a difference between employer and union as to how efficient the port was.

I recall Triumph motorcycles became a utopian workers collective at the end. Wonder how that ended up?

Psycho Milt said...

I recall Triumph motorcycles became a utopian workers collective at the end. Wonder how that ended up?

I recall it became a workers' collective after the useless fucking bosses ran it into the ground.

Oh dear, how sad, never mind, move on while the Labour Party sits on the fence and 'enjoys' having its balls tweaked in both directions.

Yeah, that about sums up the right-wing attitude. Should future National govts one day finally succeed in making our labour costs competitive with Vietnam and the Philippines, its supporters will still be blaming their companies' poor performance on the greedy, lazy, stupid workers. Some things don't change.

James said...

The POA unions have priced themselves above the real market rate for their work...so the law of supply and demand kicks in and the work is now bypassing them....who's surprised?

Remove the hairy arm of pampered unions and let the level of pay etc find its real level in concert with the rest of the market...

Psycho Milt said...

Shush, the grown-ups are talking.

Anonymous said...

PoA is a shambolic, poorly managed outfit.

The current strike is a symptom of this bigger picture.

Anonymous said...

"I recall it became a workers' collective after the useless fucking bosses ran it into the ground."

That's true but it shows that the ignorance, laziness (I worked in England for three years and was amazed at the lack of work ethic) and lack of vision that ran through British veins was not limited to just management. The reality was that unless you simply banned Honda CB750's Triumph was never going to survive. I'm not sure closing the borders is an answer and at some level we need to compete.