Tuesday, November 22, 2011

Cripes who wudda thunk that?

Hartevelt on STUFF is predicting three years of the unions confronting a re-elected National Government.

That wont happen will it.

The players should manage the Black Caps
The inmates should run the asylum.
And of course the unions should run the education sector.

Separating management and governance is so 19th century.


Psycho Milt said...

See this post, especially this bit:

But you do have to consider the possibility that [the reason] teachers all hate these policies and can make formidable critiques of them that National cannot intelligently respond to – just might be because these are really, really terrible policies.

So, can any National people here respond intelligently to these critiques? Or is "bloody unions" the best ya got?

The Veteran said...

PM .... like you I have pseudo background in education. Over the last couple of years I have met numerous members of that profession who are all for National Standards.

Problem for them is that if they voice that support they are immediately fair game for the NZEI Union 'Heavies' ... so they keep on keeping on, doing their best to educate their charges, happy in the knowledge that parents now know exactly where their child stands in the order of things.


If the unions set out to cause trouble against a government elected with a decent majority, then it is important for that new government to tackle union power.
I am sure there must be some fresh legislation they can dream up.
Of course, it will be up to the unions to make the first move and be shown to be at fault.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Bring it on. Oh please, please let them be so stupid.

Psycho Milt said...

So, yes, "bloody unions" is the best you've got.

gravedodger said...

Milt, my mate who is BOT chair of a mid decile school tells me complying with the demands of National standards was a non issue for his school as they were almost 100% compliant at the introduction.

It's a brave teacher who goes against the position adopted by the Union and there are still too many failing students and yes they predominate among the lower decile schools but without an early identification and prompt remediation I don't see an alternate solution.

9 years of Labour made little measurable impact on the problem so "the bloody unions" could gain a little credibility if they gave it their full support and if it was revealed as the failure they confidently predict, then make their stand. Maybe tell the next Labour Government, yes the unthinkable will happen but not yet, what they think will prepare that bottom 20% to function in the 21st century.
I think fear of identifying the failing teachers is the motivation for the union stance and that is incredibly sad.

Psycho Milt said...

Well, no shortage of teachers, principals and other people with actual expertise in education have pointed out the various reasons why it's a crap plan, not least of which being there's nothing in it that would assist with "early identification and prompt remediation." It's just a bullshit layer of extra bureaucracy so the govt can be seen to be doing something without actually forking out any cash - and if we really do want to educate that "long tail" of kids with fetal alcohol syndrome and a lifelong history of neglect and/or abuse, shitloads of cash will need to be forked out.

gravedodger said...

So what you are saying Milt is that the 20% are not savable.
Fits with my experience of farming, to make a worthwhile improvement a minimum of 50% cull rate is needed.
Not sure we can do that, can we.

Psycho Milt said...

I expect a proportion of them are unrecoverable, as you say. A proportion of them definitely are recoverable, but that would involve taxpayers' money, hardly a winning strategy in the current economic climate.

The govt would prefer instead to slap on another layer of bureaucracy and proclaim it a glorious victory. Has the benefit of being seen to be doing something while also picking the fight with the NZEI that the govt would like to have - win-win! Except for the wasters' and munters' kids in the long tail, but Key, Tolley et al don't give a rat's ass about them anyway.

Psycho Milt said...

Also, the nature of percentages is that a bottom 20% of achievers will always exist - if Key thinks he can eradicate the bottom 20%, King Canute has a lesson for him to attend.