Wednesday, May 18, 2011

Hostile takeover

On Stuff today:

Banks makes his move for Epsom

We have a number of ACT voters reading this blog, and I'd be interested to hear from them whether they think a social conservative like Banks actually belongs in ACT (the "liberal" party), and whether they'd really be keen to have the party beholden to him for its seats in Parliament (and yes Sinner, we know you're fully confident ACT will get at least 15% in the election and Brash will be appointed Reichskanzler, but I'm addressing this to ACT voters who aren't certifiable).

NB: I ask this not out of a leftie interest in finding a stick to beat ACT with, but out of genuine curiosity. Brash I can picture as an ACT candidate, but Banks? Not unless ACT now stands for something other than it did 10 years back.

23 comments:

JC said...

I would have thought ACT and most of the other minor parties are artifacts of MMP that allow righties and lefties to indulge their wild sides in the ballot box.

ACT, the Greens, the former Alliance, NZ1st and others are simply the dreams we have as we play with ourselves in the bath.

JC

Lindsay Mitchell said...

No longer a member but interest rekindled. I don't want Banks. But I do want Brash. And Brash is leading. ACT - a mix of conservatives and liberals - business as usual. Frustrating. But worth watching. If they could agree on the economy and vote according to conscience on social stuff maybe they can be effective. Also Brash can pull ACT over the 5 percent threshold so even if Banks won Epsom the party wouldn't be beholding. If they keep harping on law and order and one law for all my interest will dwindle. My sketchy twopence worth PM.

Last but not least, in anticipation, I regret the loss of Rodney as an MP. Brash and Hide would have been more attractive than Brash and Banks.

Anonymous said...

Who gives a fuck the policies of the Act MPs: Brash didn't let National MPs anywhere near policy when he was Nat's leader, and he's not going to make that mistake as ACT leader.

Brash's polices are already all out there for all to see in the 2025 taskforce and the OECD policy report.

The point of ACT MPs - really candidates - is to attract the part vote to ACT. Period. Beginning. End. Alpha. Omega. Electorates like Epsom or anywhere else are important only insofar as they reinforce the List vote.

With the current standing orders there is no requirements for MPs to attend parliament.

Other than Banks, Brash is duplicating Bob Jones' strategy: recruiting Kiwis with real achivements, independent wealth, real value, who will stand for election not to get their heads into the trough, not to "go to Wellington" (who the fuck would want to do that) but simply to maximise ACT's vote so that the Reichskanzler can finally bring about the blitzneuordnung that NZ so badly needs!

Kein Arbeit, Kein Essen!

Anonymous said...

I think Banks' indiscretions and his history of visiting certain addresses will come back to bite him on the arse, and he might not actually make it onto the ticket

Anonymous said...

Anonymous @ 8:55 - whats your (the) point?

Barnsley Bill said...

Irrespective of the complete bullshit by the anonymong above. Banks WTF. The twat who lost Auckland to a corrupt lefty with a dicky ticker!
What a farce.

WWallace said...

I mostly share Lindsay's view: Brash is showing leadership and principles, and a willingness to not beat around the bush, but talk about the crux of the matters.

But I hope there are better candidates than John Banks. Banks, like Hide, has "baggage" that is unattractive.

Having said that, though, I will point out that he does have some admirable personal character qualities. This is not my assessment, but penned by Brian Edwards, a political adversary for decades. If this is the real John Banks, and he fronts up to Epsom constituents as such, then he could well have a place.

Nick said...

No comment Milt, in public at least.

kehua said...

Banks will lose ACT votes, the man is an Idiot and a hasbeen to most Aucklanders and a complete fuckwit to most people south of the Bombay Hills, that Brash can`t see this is a worry for genuine Act Voters.

kehua said...

Anyone else having problems hooking up with the Whale?

Heine said...

I said this from the very beginning as well. The Brash faction of the National Party wasn't going to allow Don all the glory - others will follow, expecting a grateful ACT Party to accept anybody that looked remotely electable.

Banks isn't a bad fulla, but he is a conservative Nat.

Doesn't bother me. My membership is lapsing pretty soon and they can look elsewhere for anybody to help run ACTs expat London campaign as I sure as hell won't be asking people to vote for John Banks.

FAIRFACTS MEDIA said...

I don't see Banks as an ACT man.
A decent GNat, yes, one who should stay there.
But if he changes, well I might be charitable.
As for BB's comments about Banksie losing Auckland, well, he won the old Auckland City.
It was just a shame he did not take Manukau and the West.
But considering how Lyen Brown is doing Banksie might be capable of a return.

Of course, pity NZ does not have a House of Lords.
We need somewhere to kick the old timers upstairs.

Psycho Milt said...

Thanks all. I didn't actually want to see ACT disappear from Parliament, since although I don't agree with it on economic policy, it's nice to have at least some MPs who aren't constantly coming up with ways to make us behave in the way they'd consider "appropriate."

On the one hand, the Nat takeover of ACT will keep ACT in Parliament by putting Brash in charge, but from my point of view, if they're bringing in conservatives like Banks they'll just be another bunch of busybodies telling us how to behave. Sucks.

Anonymous said...

Heine articulates the big problem for Act if Banks stands. He will drive off a lot of activists who, whilst they are dedicated Act people, do not like Banks and his baggage.

I had drifted away from the party but am seriously considering getting back in boots & all for this election. The only thing holding me back is seeing if Banks gets Epsom.

It's something the board need to weigh up. Will Banks bring more than he drives away? I believe he won't be net positive for the party so shouldn't be given Epsom or even a list place.

IMHO Boscawen should be let off the leash in Tamaki, and Rodney should be allowed to stay in Epsom as an electorate only candidate.

Paranormal

Anonymous said...

Heine articulates the big problem for Act if Banks stands. He will drive off a lot of activists who, whilst they are dedicated Act people, do not like Banks and his baggage.

I had drifted away from the party but am seriously considering getting back in boots & all for this election. The only thing holding me back is seeing if Banks gets Epsom.

It's something the board need to weigh up. Will Banks bring more than he drives away? I believe he won't be net positive for the party so shouldn't be given Epsom or even a list place.

IMHO Boscawen should be let off the leash in Tamaki, and Rodney should be allowed to stay in Epsom as an electorate only candidate.

Paranormal

Heine said...

I suspect the board will want to see ACT get as high a polling as possible this coming election, even if it means it will lose some of the activists that have kept ACT in for so long.

I think Banks will stand and it will be very interesting to see who will stay and swallow the rats or who will go and take the party principles with them.

Anonymous said...

What's my point: it's not about the policies of individual ACT MPs - they're irrelevant. Similarly it's not about ACT activists all of whom seem to think they are about to make the list selection.

The policies are set and the leadership is firm.

It's about maximising the party vote for one election, to give Brash a one-time shot and a reforming austerity budget - just like Ruth in 1991 (but much further, deeper, and quicker).

ACT MPs and Activists are there to drive up the party vote for ACT. That's it. They're not there to have opinions, to write policy, to "reprsent" their bludging "constituents" to get more taxpayers money. They are there to get the party vote between now and the election. That's it.

With any luck the reforms will include the fiscally absolutely necessary move to SM, FPP, or hopefully Geographic Proportionality plus a Fiscal Council - these electoral system changes would wipe out ACT in any case.

It's not about the ACT party or any individuals.
It's about the last chance to rescue NZ.

Anonymous said...

Anon @9.57

Exactly - and thats my point. It is Candidates, Activists and Party Members working around the country during the campaign that help drive up the Party Vote. If it wasn't that way parties just wouldn't bother having them.

The issue here is Banks will alienate key workforce that drive up the vote. I don't think he's needed as he will not provide overall a net positive gain in party vote for Act.

Paranormal

Anonymous said...

On the radio this morning Banks said he's a National man so his Act stand is a bit of a charade although he may lean on the Nats a bit to bring them back to what he perceives is the Nat ideal. based on that I think he's the wrong candidate - its just convenience with possibly no passion for real Act principles.

A good politician I guess.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

I will lmao for months if the good people of Epsom fail to elect Banks and ACT just scrapes up to 4.9%.

I didn't know Mr Banks had the sort of salacious baggage which has been referred to in this thread. Is there any truth to it or is it just a few angry shouters making it up as they go along?

Anonymous said...

Who gives a rats arse about dorkland and the SENIOR ie old fart ACT members. they will get in some dorkland electorate,they will screw Keys arse for finance minister,:-( NZ will go down hill rapidly again the usual right wingers will say the poor white trash have been put in their place but NZ is still SINKING SINKING down a shit hole

Heine said...

I wouldn't be laughing Adolf - many would come back to National to give people like you a right deserved booting up the arse for compromising principles for power.

Anonymous said...

It's enough to make me forget to vote at all and spend election day getting pissed and stoned.
Jesus they are stupid.