Sunday, April 17, 2011

Twenty Seven Percent

Adolf well remembers the awful 27% figure.

That's what he scored in School Certificate maths when he sat the exam in 1962. His father, an extremely good mathematician and ex RNZAF navigator, was less than impressed. Adolf dropped maths and went on to gain UE in a far more useless subject at which he excelled, French.

While working full time as a farm hand, Adolf enrolled in the Correspondence School class for School Cert maths. Exam time fell in the midst of hay making and there was no time for study during the month prior. So, a rush trip thirty miles into Rotorua, a three hour examination completed in 45 minutes and this time a 78% pass. (You see, at school I had missed one of the fundamnetals of algebra and just never caught up. But at my own speed, everything was fine)

Phil Goff won't get a second chance from Correspondence School.

Today his party recorded 27% in the TV3/Reid poll - or so reports David Farrar at Kiwiblog. TV3 do not yet have the poll and it's detail or commentary up on their website.

Yep, that's the one Helen Clark reckoned was always right. So much for all the smug ill informed talk from the professional commentariat about Labour and Goff escaping Darren Hughes' advances unscathed.

56 comments:

JC said...

"So much for all the smug ill informed talk from the professional commentariat about Labour and Goff escaping Darren Hughes' advances unscathed."

But then there was "straight shooter" O'Conner's outburst confirming the Labour gay gene.

JC

kehua said...

Boy I bet Milt is a little pissed at this Poll result. 70 seats for the Nats and they don`t need to worry about Act,Winston,Dunne or the `g`reens. Chuck a couple of Associate Ministers in from the Maori Party and effectively kill off the wannabees and the never was`s. Love it.

Gooner said...

I think I can safely speak for Milt when saying I don't think he could care less.

Psycho Milt said...

Boy I bet Milt is a little pissed at this Poll result.

Not unless he gets to see the undecided figure and finds it's a low one.

Tht said, it is a sad commentary on the country's voters that a govt that's kept us in recession, lowered wages and drastically increased unemployment and public debt, remains popular simply because its leader is amiable and inoffensive. Go figure.

Anonymous said...

To quote Johnny Mathis: "Its wonderful wonderful, oh so wonderful...etc.."

Barnsley Bill said...

Does anybody actually know anybody that is genuinely unemployed?
I keep reading about it but never actually meet any.
PM. Your anxiety levels seem a little excessive. Imagine how bad things would be if Labour had won in 2008.
Top tax rate would be through the roof, our credit rating would be in the shitter and the public service would continue to grow until we went pop.

Psycho Milt said...

My anxiety levels? As I recall, back in the mid-2000s when unemployment was low and the govt was running surpluses and paying down the national debt, right-wingers were a mass of frothing apoplexy at the supposed corruption, incompetence etc of said govt. And now, when we're stuck in recession, unemployment's rising, the national debt is skyrocketing and Aus is leaving us in its dust, suddenly you're all feeling good about the people running things? I must be missing something here...

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

What seems to have passed most people by is the fact this poll represents a seven percent (well, damned near) swing from and already struggling Labour to an already surging National.

My guess is that National will field a strong candidate in Epsom and ACT will put up John Bascowan in Tamaki. Rodney Hide will lose while Bascowan will win and be made party leader. That is, of course, if Rodney does not find himself an alternative activity.

The NACTionalMP gummint will go on for at least two more terms.

Shane Ponting said...

As a "right winger" I'm not feeling good about the way things are being run. So for that reason and that reason alone in AF's book I then become "extreme right" or "far right" or "wacko right" or however else he might choose to term someone who's right of the very centrist National Party (as they are currently aligned).

I think when your Party's in opposition (as the Nats were back then Milt) it's easier to be idealogical. Now they are are in power the stick suddenly becomes a lot more bendable and ideals are traded for lollipops that come in flavours like pragmatism and compromise.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Shane Ponting, I suggest you go back and carefully examine what National promised to do and promised not to do during the 2008 election campaign.

While you may not be happy with the way things are being run, roughly 80% of the voting public seems not to share your view. I suspect this is largely because National made it very clear it would not rock the boat while the country was in or recovering from recession. That's exactly what they've done thus far and their task has been complicated by a plethora of shonky finance companies and a couple of major earthquakes.

If you allow your mind to be fucked over by The Herald's daily dose of anti National tripe then you will certainly remain unhappy.

On balance, I think they've got it about right. With the exception of the ETS and Fiji, that is.

For mine, I'm going to be looking for some genuine and significant cuts to government spending in the budget and to some serious sell down of minority stakes in government businesses, along with substantial reductions in WFF and the reintroduction of commercial interest rates on all student loans - all clearly signalled in the 2011 election manifesto.

In other words, a much more aggressive second term.

That's what they said they'd do.

Liberty said...

Psycho Milt said...
My anxiety levels? As I recall, back in the mid-2000s when unemployment was low

No In the mid-2000 NZ was living in a fools paradise.
To a point we still are.
The size of the state is still too big.
Looters are still sucking of the state Tit.
At least the looters aren’t on a feeding frenzy. like the dark days of the Clark reign.

Anonymous said...

Oh those looters and moochers and their feeding frenzies! Why do we ned a police force, schools and hospitals? We should model ourselves on Somalia. It gets by just fine without a functioning state.

Jol Thang

Psycho Milt said...

...National made it very clear it would not rock the boat while the country was in or recovering from recession. That's exactly what they've done thus far...

Yes. Basically, they promised that they'd maintain during a recession a level of govt spending that was suited only to times of great surplus, and that's what they've done - resulting in rapidly increasing public debt. Apart from that, what they've done is pretty much nothing, apart from some minor tinkering with the tax system that's helped keep us in recession, raise unemployment and lower wages. The only bases for their popularity are the amiable and inoffensive idiot running things and the fact there's no credible opposition.

Liberty: at least now we have recession, unemployment and falling wages, unlike the "dark days" of the last govt? How comforting it must be have turned your mind over to an ideology.

Anonymous said...

I can't understand the perception that we can waddle along and all will be good all the time with wages keeping pace with inflation, civil servants all working etc...

Much of the western world is economically stuffed and with our huge debt I don't see why we should be any different.

Heine said...

Labour are one new leader away towards being a good fight in the 2014 election. The battle isn't currently about policies - it's about personality and Key has this in abundance.

I am not optimistic about NZs future at all. So far we are staring down the barrel of debt that our grandchildren will be paying off. This blog said that good policies would be followed and instead Key used the first 3 years to entrench Labour policies making it difficult for them to get rid of them after November.

High poll ratings don't excite me at all. We already know from the Labour years that the public are easily herded into their sheep pens no matter the policies.

In a few years when Labour are back, with a hard unionist edge supported by militant Greens, we'll be wondering - why didn't we take advantage of the years we had in Govt when we had ACT and National MPs in the majority?

Matthew Hooton said...

I once got 12% in a calculus exam, so with luck Labour will also get to emulate that achievement.

Anonymous said...

PM lets just accept that all our politicians are tinkering idiots whose sole purpose is to feather their own nests and retain the treasury benches...spending our money and borrowing others to achieve that is one of the benefits...thank God they haven't discovered the printing press.

nig said...

My 24 in 1962 School Cert Biology now becomes the Labour target. Unlike Adolf I stupidly took Biology into the 6 Form instead of changing to History which was much more my forte.

Liberty said...

Jol one could model on Somalia. But we don’t need be that extreme.
It is all about balance. There is a roll for the state. There is a section in society that
After years of socialism they would have great difficulty living without sucking of the state tit. If you want examples go read the depressants at “ The Standard” and Red Alert”
So there is a roll for the state Housing, education health.
Their is no need for the state to provide entertainment TV1,TV2 Radio NZ and paying the looters with NZ on Air. Ballet, symphony orchestra Arts and farts, Rugby, yachting etc.
They are not the responsibility of the government.

gravedodger said...

Now in these enlightened times those marks that Mathew and Adolph got in the good old days are now massaged and obscured by any number of distractions and they would be given "credits for actually turning up in the right place at about the right time and then can leave school secure in the knowledge they are not failing.
Don't forget Phill is strengthening his leadership with every milestone that passes, he said so didn't he, not so sure about the noddies though.

Liberty said...

Psycho Milt
"dark days" of the last govt
Labour are going to be in opposition. Until they realise they were not told to FO for how the economy was mis managed.
Labour was told to FO because it was controlled by The haughty one, The sisters
And pack of minions who treated the electorate with contempt.
Those odious little minions now want to be in control again.
I’m surprised labour is even getting 27%

Psycho Milt said...

So, it's worth having the economy in the toilet if it means we aren't being governed by haughty lesbians?

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you that the previous govt had become toxic and needed to go, I just don't think the replacement actually deserves the job.

Anonymous said...

Maybe the Nat's real colours will be apparent when they can govern alone as appears likely from later this year. Even Pennywise The Clown smiled and waved when he had to.

I think we would be screwed no matter who runs us.

Gooner said...

Here is the point of difference between me and some of my former bloggers here (Milt aside).

I couldn’t care less whether the country is run by haughty lesbians or green-faced aliens. I don’t care about Helen Clark’s supposed double life. I don’t care whether Labour, National or Martians run the country.

All I care about is policy and direction. This country is not going in the right direction; and its policies are mostly wrong.

Milt is right: So, it's worth having the economy in the toilet if it means we aren't being governed by haughty lesbians?

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you that the previous govt had become toxic and needed to go, I just don't think the replacement actually deserves the job.

k said...

'gravedodger'.. is that 'milestones' or 'millstones' that phil is getting stronger with? He seems to attract millstones.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Gooner, it appears the vast majority of New Zealanders don't agree with you.

Anonymous said...

The way I read it is the vast majority of New Zealanders don't want Labour and the default position from that is National.

Gooner.

Redbaiter said...

The presumption that NZers know what they want is the biggest error made in all the comments in this thread.

They can't know that unless they're informed on the options. They are not of course. Political discussion in NZ, led by an extreme left media, extends from extreme left to far left. There is no discussion outside these artificially imposed boundaries.

If there was, NZers might have different voting intentions. All it takes is for one person to stand up and confront the media/ political elite power bloc, as has recently happened in Finland with the True Finn Party.

It will happen, and Key and his piss weak minions in National and Goff and his equally piss weak minions in Labour will have no defense.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Well, we'll just have to see what changes are flushed out during the election campaign.

Redbaiter said...

NZ voters cannot be expected to make choices outside the menu offered. At present, the NZ political menu is confined to the extreme left far left sector of the spectrum. The media/ political elite power bloc work to ensure there are no additional items ever listed.

One day though, someone will come along and confront this power bloc. As has happened in Finland with the True Finns for a recent example.

When it does, Key and his piss weak minions, and Goff with his equally piss weak minions will, in their sameness, have no defense.

The grip of the political/ media power bloc of elitist Progressives will be broken. It is only a matter of time.

Redbaiter said...

NZ voters cannot be expected to make choices outside the menu offered. At present, the NZ political menu is confined to the extreme left far left sector of the spectrum. The media/ political elite power bloc work to ensure there are no additional items ever listed.

One day though, someone will come along and confront this power bloc. As has happened in Finland with the True Finns for a recent example.

When it does, Key and his piss weak minions, and Goff with his equally piss weak minions will, in their sameness, have no defense.

The grip of the political/ media power bloc of elitist Progressives will be broken. It is only a matter of time.

Redbaiter said...

NZ voters cannot be expected to make choices outside the menu offered. At present, the NZ political menu is confined to the extreme left far left sector of the spectrum. The media/ political elite power bloc work to ensure there are no additional items ever listed.

One day though, someone will come along and confront this power bloc. As has happened in Finland with the True Finns for a recent example.

When it does, Key and his piss weak minions, and Goff with his equally piss weak minions will, in their sameness, have no defense.

The grip of the political/ media power bloc of elitist Progressives will be broken. It is only a matter of time.

kehua said...

So Baiter where are these Saviours hiding ? They sure as hell aint in the Labour Party or the Act Party and as far as the greens go???????

Anonymous said...

The problem in all this is that man cocks it up, always has, always will. The faith of you political types in politicians seems as stupid to me as my Christian beliefs must be to Heine who has evolved beyond me and no longer needs such wonderful mysteries cluttering his life.

RB @ 3.07 is right but Jesus didn't say exactly when he was going to do it.

Liberty said...

Psycho Milt said...


Don't get me wrong, I agree with you that the previous govt had become toxic and needed to go, I just don't think the replacement actually deserves the job.

You have only 4 choices Key, Goff , small party or sit on the fence and bitch.
Key His economics unfortunately are a bit socialist. And a warmist
As a leader. Doing a great job, It appears middle NZ are more than happy.

Goff Hard core Socialist , PLO supporter, and a warmist
As a leader Loser

Small party Isn’t democracy wonderful. Even Mad people have a choice “ Peters”

Fence sitter loser with a bit of luck they get a fence pale up there arse

Redbaiter said...

"So Baiter where are these Saviours hiding ?"

Did you even bother looking up the True Finn Party? Came out of nowhere because they offered an option the major parties were denying the electorate. Just like here in NZ.

Anonymous said...

The True Finns! Seriously? Jesus you really are clutching at straws Russell. They're like NZ First crossed with the EDL. Run on that platform, along with a promise to show your birth certificate in the public square, crazy man. That's a sure fire winner.

Jol Thang

Heine said...

Gooner is right - If we were headed in the right direction I don't care who runs the country.

Adolf - Every day that Key borrows money lends weight to the fact that that National is the flavour of the day. It isn’t because they are a nicer, friendlier more principled party than Labour. It’s because Labour got boring for the swing voters and the centrists and people wanted to try the other flavours. Polls mean squat as it doesn’t reflect values or policies. It’s all about that nice young man who smiles and waves a lot and how much he looks more in touch than that other not so nice, not so young Labour man.

How high is Mugabe polling in Zimbabwe?

Heine said...

The True Finn Party:

The party combines left-wing economic policies with strongly conservative social values.

Policies of the party include:

Progressive taxation and the welfare state
State support for rural regions
Increased state investment in infrastructure and industry
Even though True Finns is a Finnish-based movement with only newly emerging international connections, it has been compared with the rise of the Tea Party movement in the United States and other similar populist movements in Europe, critical of globalism and the well-connected power elites.

I have emphasised their statist left wing tendencies on purpose. I am interested why Redbaiter would champion them – a party that has left wing policies and opposes globalisation and yet adheres to very strict nationalist and conservative values as well. Seems like a very confused party indeed!

Redbaiter said...

"The True Finns! Seriously? They're like NZ First crossed with the EDL.

Not that you would know one way or the other you slow witted uninformed mainstream media junkie, but it is not the point. I am talking about the phenomenon of a fast rising political force. Now fuck off and stop wasting everyone's time you dribbling dumbfuck.

Redbaiter said...

"I am interested why Redbaiter would champion them"

Champion them? You fucking moron you're another time wasting dimbulb with half the IQ of a cockroach. (And an habitual liar as well.)

Heine said...

I rest my case. Your calm rational rebuttal has surely won this discussion Russell.

I'd bow down to you but considering your foaming hatred of gays is so intense and from what I hear firmly closeted, I'm afraid of what you'd try when my back is turned.

Redbaiter said...

You are a coward and a liar Heine. I do not "hate" homosexuals and I have never given you any reason to make that smear.

You make it only because you are a sleazy dishonest coward who does not care one iota for morality or truth.

Heine said...

How is Narnia these days Russell?

Heine said...

And for you to talk about morality is comparable as Stalin discussing the vitues of the free market.

Pull the other one old boy.

Anonymous said...

"I am talking about the phenomenon of a fast rising political force."

Well if that's all your point was Russ it was trite and facile you sociopathic cretin. Better examples of this would have been the Greens in Germany or NZ First here in 1996, but you didn't cite these because you actually did think that the True Finns were your conservative glory boys. This proves you're an ignorant fuckwit and well as a blustering buffoon. Piss off.

Jol Thang

Anonymous said...

Goodness gracious me. Feel the love.

That Finn movement sounds nice. There's a hint of seeking to be sovereign and that is the start of freedom. They will cock it up though because someone whose ego is their biggest feature will want to be in charge.

Redbaiter said...

Hey Judge/ Jol you commie coward- Same old same old. Always the false allegation and the demand that it be defended. ...and you apparently can't even comprehend such simple phrases as "recent example".

That a POS like you thrives here on No Minister with such worthless crap is an indication of what a shit hole of a blog it is. Its owners muct be complete fuckheads to let extreme left vermin like you foul the place so consistently.

Heine said...

As opposed to you Russell? I think the bloggers here have proven they have a sense of humour allowing you to continue commenting here.

Redbaiter said...

I see another of ACT's dumbarsed liberals has been caught out Heine.

You dopey Progressives are such bunglers you couldn't get a fuck in a monkey whorehouse if you turned up with a whole bunch of bananas.

RIghtsaidFred said...

Good old red, the laughing stock of the blogosphere. What a legacy you will leave behind!

Anonymous said...

I am not very upset about the low polling figure, as it is an overdue slapping for a once proud party, and bloody good job.
BUT..what is democracy without an effective opposition?
This situation is not good for NZ.

Cheers
Lofty

Anonymous said...

Who on this blog has ever been approached for their views on the political parties,be honest,in 62 years i never haveand dont say im to old (i would lie),i voted for hone key the first maori pm in NZs history,aside from that who ever has been polled(tell the truth)nah is weasle polling ie like product of NZ but made in china, ie crap polling and prove me wrong with addresses etc.
ps lets not vote hell they could win by doing it under urgency,

Shane Ponting said...

Heine, you put yourself in the same basket as you've accused Redbaiter of being in by indulging in posts that exist purely to take aim at his character rather than his political opining.

Check that coolaid.

Heine said...

Not quite Shane. I was deliberately winding up the old lad. It worked, look at him... just as embarrassing as usual. :)

Russell your sexually infused rantings are a little worrying. Don't really care what Heather gets up to in her emails either, she may as well enjoy her last few months in Parliament.

WAKE UP said...

The current Labour party is exactly like National was immediately post-Muldoon - they've all sold their souls to a "glorious leader", lived through a bunch of lies and deceits, and none of them know who they are any more (if they ever did).