Saturday, February 5, 2011

Who cares

Apparently it's Whinetangi Day tomorrow.

The sooner we have a New Zealand Day that reflects our true multicultural status the better.

Update . Looks like the celebrations are going to plan.

Update 2. From the herald poll of 23,000 people.
"Is Whinetangi Day important to you?".
77% No


Adolf Fiinkensein said...

You do mean one culture, don't you Lou? New Zealanders?

Lou Taylor said...

Theoretically, yes
Practically, no.
Maybe given time, we will all merge into New zealanders but as long as some Maori insist on an apartheid approach I won't be holding my breath.

The Veteran said...

I would argue there is developing a distinctive New Zealand culture which is a mix of many cultures.

I reject and disregard the mouthings the racist minorities from both side of the political spectrum who, on one side, refuse to acknowledge that Maori gained certain rights when they signed the Treaty and on the other, are stuck in a grievance time warp and unable/unwilling to move forward.

Having said all of that I guess I would have to acknowledge that, for me, ANZAC Day has much more significance.

Redbaiter said...

"refuse to acknowledge that Maori gained certain rights when they signed the Treaty"

A lie. The argument is that Maori were given no "special" rights by the Treaty.

Get out of the National Party. We need truth tellers.

Lou Taylor said...

You cannot have a country that makes everyone equal but some more equal than others. There is nothing distinctive about that, just people who feel increasingly disenfranchised.
When every day is Maori this ,Moari that, then I for one get bloody sick of it. That's just how I feel. Our family has put 5 generations into this country. We've taken the good with the bad and just got on with life.
Your great moving forward will never happen as long as we all pretend that only white people can be racist.

Psycho Milt said...

The sooner we have a New Zealand Day that reflects our true multicultural status the better.

Well, we could try and renegotiate the Treaty along those lines, but that wouldn't work out as well for us (ie, Whitey) as the first one, given how successfully we shafted the locals back then - they'd be mugs to give us such a good deal a second time. Best stick with the deal we have, despite its flaws.

Lou Taylor said...

That's where we beg to differ Milt.
I think the Maori got a good deal by us "whities"
In terms of the history of mankind and the way the world was 150 years ago, that is.

Redbaiter said...

"given how successfully we shafted the locals back then"

Yep that is right. Settlers (my ancestors) were all dishonest crooks.

Another cowardly propaganda lie that stains and smears a whole culture and country with its arrant deceit.

The cultural Marxists dread the day NZ could ever be a united nation.


Anonymous said...

My family is now 7 generations in NZ, feast and famine, war and peace. The title of your post is Who Cares. I used to care. I don't now. I just have a massive lack of respect for all things Maori.

Harawira and his kin are the distillation of all things regressive in NZ. Their contribution to the country is nil.

They are pests among men.


The Veteran said...

Redbaiter ... you really are an arsehole. If you think that Maori didn't gain certain rights when they signed the Treaty then you are living in la la land ... and you are so what's new.

The Treaty confirs both privileges
and obligations on both parties ... but you are clearly too thick to understand that.

And only you could try and morph "certain" into "special".

As for your comment about the National Party and your use of the royal 'we' well, given your vitriolic attacks on the Party over the past two years I somehow think you are telling porkies when you infer that you are a member. My Party doesn't need you and certainly doesn't want you. Try Winston First. He too is an arsehole so you should feel a cetain kinship.

You are one sick sad puppy who probably gets his kicks pulling wings of flies.

The Veteran said...

Anon 1.49 said "Harawira and his kin are the distillation of all things regressive in NZ. Their contribution to the country is nil".

Agreed .... but then too are the bastards who ran Dominion Finance and ripped me off.

As far as I am concerned both can rot in hell.

Inventory2 said...

Wrong post, I know, but where is Adolf's almost daily post ridiculing Jesse Ryder? I would have thought that 103* (so far) off 82 balls (seven fours; six sixes) would have retaed a mention ...

Inventory2 said...

..that should have read "rated a mention"

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Too busy IV2. Today was like one of those rogue opinion polls. Was it eight preceding ducks? If he was match fit he may not have needed a runner.

And what of the geriatric ward from which we have chosen our squad? Oram injured in 'warmups'? Hell, he looks like a Transylvanian asylum seeker and then you've got Taylor with a stuffed hamstring, Vetorri with unspecifierd top secret ailments and Styrus looks as though someone dug him up six months after his funeral.

There's only one answer. They'll have to bat John Wright.

Anonymous said...

Recommend you link to "NOT PC" blog re tiriti o Waitangi ~ proper background info is always useful.

kevin said...

off subject a little... I must say that goff looked very shabby and unkempt at Waitangi.

Psycho Milt said...

Link to the NotPC post.

From the alleged 'background info':

"Pre-European Maori never "owned" New Zealand in any sense, let alone in any meaningful sense of exercising either ownership or sovereignty over all of it."

The coloniser always has some bullshit to spout explaining how it was all totally above board and utterly unobjectionable. I have no doubt that if the Japs had taken over NZ (or if Indonesia or China were to take it over in the future) they'd have no end of useful "background info" that explains why we didn't actually have any right to the place, and how they've done us a favour by bringing us the benefit of having them outnumber us 10 to 1. Polish the turd all you like, it remains a turd.

peterquixote said...

I own the foreshore,
and also you own the foreshore,
the crown has invested in our future wealth soon,

Anonymous said...

There are many more important constituent, neglected 'founding' documents for NZ than the the rodent-eaten Treaty, like the Bill of Rights (1689), the (dare I say it) Preface to the Book of Common Prayer ("...not to gratify this or that party in any [of] their unreasonable demands...".) Never mind the corpus of common law...We enjoy the blessings of English civil society, wrought over centuries.

I invite John Hatfield, aka Hone Harawira, and his ingrate ilk, to think of a counter-factual history, like Tasmania or being colonised by the French, before biting the hand that feeds him.

OECD rank 22 kiwi said...

Psycho Milt said at February 5, 2011 6:45 PM

"Polish the turd "

Polish people are not turds.

Racist. :p

Haere rā

OECD rank 22 kiwi said...

Is it still "Cool to korero" in Kia Ora Land?

Anonymous said...

Veteran ,a quick resort to ad hominen v RB.
Come on, out with your proof that maori were given any extra rights by the treaty except those enjoyed by any british subject.
The chiefs were given property rights but they were subject to british law and any confiscation that was lawful at that time was just that. Lawful.
But I digress.
Just say exactly what you think these privileges and obligations are and you won't need to abuse people who disagree with you.

Psycho Milt said...

Just say exactly what you think these privileges and obligations are and you won't need to abuse people who disagree with you.

It's hardly surprising he lacks patience with people who not only wilfully ignore the obvious, but call him a liar as well - is it? Why should he have to explain this stuff to someone who is presumably a local? For the truly ignorant:

The Treaty can be viewed here. Privileges and obligations for Maori in it:

1. Obligation: "The Chiefs ... give absolutely to the Queen of England for ever the complete government over their land."

2. Privilege: "The Queen of England agrees to protect the chiefs, the subtribes and all the people of New Zealand in the unqualified exercise of their chieftainship over their lands, villages and all their treasures."

3. Obligation on both parties: "But on the other hand the Chiefs of the Confederation and all the Chiefs will sell land to the Queen at a price agreed to by the person owning it and by the person buying it (the latter being) appointed by the Queen as her purchase agent."

4. Both privilege and obligation: "the Queen of England will protect all the ordinary people of New Zealand and will give them the same rights and duties of citizenship as the people of England."

The Veteran says:

Maori gained certain rights when they signed the Treaty

And anyone who can read that Treaty and fail to see any rights being granted in it has earned a bit of ad hominem.

Redbaiter said...

"And anyone who can read that Treaty and fail to see any rights being granted in it has earned a bit of ad hominem."

Go back and read my post again. All left wingers are seriously deficient in basic comprehension. It must be a big part of why they cling to such a poisonous and destructive ideology. How else could anyone fail to see it for what it really is?

"Any rights" is not the argument.

What you need to seek out are the "special" rights that Maori claim are in the document, and others claim are not. That is the argument. The Veteran was trying to deflect from this point and so are you.

Its time we stopped talking about Maori as if they have a separate sovereignty, They do not, and the treaty never granted them this. There is no partnership. There is no distinction. It is a document that unifies, not separates.

The National Party has to stop so weakly prostrating themselves to the fairy tale of partnership and special rights. We are one country and one people. End of story.


Psycho Milt said...

All left wingers are seriously deficient in basic comprehension.

Hilarious irony from you as usual, seeing as the Veteran wrote that Maori "gained certain rights" when they signed the Treaty and you responded quite bluntly that this was a lie. It's quite obviously not a lie, isn't it?

We are one country and one people. End of story.

In that case, who are these "Maori" you're always complaining about? Is it a slang term for something?

Redbaiter said...

"It's quite obviously not a lie, isn't it?"

Once again, you fail to comprehend. The lie that you and the Veteran subscribe to and promote in your messages here is that people are complaining about "rights".

They are not. They are complaining about the myth of "special" rights.

You are trying to downplay the complaints as unjustified by falsely bracketing them with an issue that is not the reason for the complaints.

WAKE UP said...

Well Lou, you finally lost me with "...our true multicultural status"


Lou Taylor said...

Wake up
We have had multiculturalism foisted upon us. NZ now consists of people from many places.
In previous blogs I have pointed out that whilst a retailer, I dealt with over 50 different nationalities in just a couple of months. These NZers are not going to suddenly give up their heritages to become Kiwis. In time it will happen and I for one would be reluctant to predict what that will finally look like.
The radical Maori element choose to completely ignore this reality and demand that everything is about them vs us.It cannot happen like that because that is the real bullshit.
Whinetangi Day is a day of irrelevance for most NZers. The Maori have had a good deal in this country, but that will never be enough for some of them.
For NZ to succeed this century the last thing we need is to pander to the stone age aspirations of a few.

Anonymous said...

They are complaining about the myth of "special" rights.

And that may be the nub of it.

WAKE UP said...

Lou, you 'n I are nearly always in agreement - but right now, I've decided that I'll no longer tolerate the use of the word "multiculturalism" as if its (a) something real (b) something that works. It's neither; and the depth of denial at both ends of the "multicultural" chain is so profound as to be psychotic. No good will ever come of this.

So you catch me in hard-line mode, but remain assured I'm still in the trenches right alongside you :)