Friday, November 5, 2010

Water Boarding

Some people need to grow up and deal with reality.

George W Bush recently defended the use of water boarding as a means to gain useful information about the intentions of one's enemy.

Someone, I'm not sure who, said that if he could save one hundred American lives by water boarding one Ayrab terrorist then water boarding would be just fine.

Adolf reckons if he could save one American life by water boarding a hundred Ayrabs then let's water board the whole goddamn one hundred.

13 comments:

I.M Fletcher said...

Interrogations have led to many lives being saved. See the article here by Marc Thiessen, author of the book 'Courting Disaster: How the CIA Kept America Safe and How Barack Obama Is Inviting the Next Attack'

Specifically, interrogation with enhanced techniques "led to the discovery of a KSM plot, the 'Second Wave,' 'to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into' a building in Los Angeles." KSM later acknowledged before a military commission at Guantanamo Bay that the target was the Library Tower, the tallest building on the West Coast. The memo explains that "information obtained from KSM also led to the capture of Riduan bin Isomuddin, better known as Hambali, and the discovery of the Guraba Cell, a 17-member Jemmah Islamiyah cell tasked with executing the 'Second Wave.' " In other words, without enhanced interrogations, there could be a hole in the ground in Los Angeles to match the one in New York.

That's just one instance. See Thiessen being interviewed by Jon Stewart HERE He makes his case very well, I think. He also notes that Obama has now changed the rules around interrogation, in that they must follow the Army Field Guide book, or some such. The upshot is that now US personnel are not even allowed to look evilly at a captured terrorist let alone threaten him. He makes the point that police officers in New York City can do more in an interrogation.

Obama is slowly endangering America and the security of the world by what he is doing. He may think it's "nice", but "nice" doesn't count for much in war.

Psycho Milt said...

George W Bush recently defended the use of water boarding as a means to gain useful information about the intentions of one's enemy.

Well, duh. This is why torturers around the world torture people. If Bush is happy to be one of them, it's up to him.

Anonymous said...

"The writer, a visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution, served in senior positions in the Pentagon and the White House from 2001 to 2009, most recently as chief speechwriter for President George W. Bush."
You don't suppose he has an axe to grind?

Psycho Milt said...

And "interrogation with enhanced techniques?" Oh, please - that is some weak shit. If you're going to torture people, call it torture, for fuck's sake. Have the courage of your convictions.

Anonymous said...

This is why Adolph shouldn't post while on the booze. Embarrassing.

Anonymous said...

..Well, duh. This is why torturers around the world torture people. If Bush is happy to be one of them, it's up to him...

Yeah Milt, it was up to him. He was CiC and he knew who he served. Now it's up to the new guy but it appears he thinks more of the enemy and his newspaper image than his own side.

George

George

Anonymous said...

You call water-boarding torture Milt?Don't be a girl.
The tape of those American soldiers,burnt and dismembered, dragged through the streets to the cheers of the crowd and hung from a bridge. Now that's what I call torture.

Mrs Danvers

Anonymous said...

This debate shows how thin civilisation is. Some will stoop to brutal behaviour that they would have condemned before they perceived themselves to be safe. The US is still mates with the Saudis from whence a lot of this crap originated so are two faced idiots. And all to prop up an empire in decline.

If the west hadn't abandoned its Christian heritage there may not have been the spiritual vacuum that this brutality would try to fill. It will only get worse.

Anonymous said...

Whoops, no safe, at risk. Darn.

Psycho Milt said...

You call water-boarding torture Milt?Don't be a girl.

"Crucifiction's a doddle!"

mojo said...

Oh dear.

WAKE UP said...

"...torturers around the world torture people. If Bush is happy to be one of them, it's up to him."

I doubt that he was "happy" to be one - but I'll bet he was happy that many lives were saved.

Anonymous said...

Big weords Adolf but waterboarding terrorists isn't that tough so your fakeass macho 'world wide war on terrorism' spiel doesn't prove much.

If you were really a tough guy you'd be waterboarding the innocent grandmothers, mothers and daughters of the terrorists to extract info.

How much evidence gave we got to actually link waterboarding with the successful defeat of terrorists plots in the first place.

The Iraqi intelligence agencies are most likely using torture techniques which are even more brutal but bombs are still going off in Baghdad.

The only thing saving the US and Europe from more attacks is because the logisitical effort to arrange such an attack is so much harder than parking a car bomb in downtown baghdad.