Monday, November 22, 2010

ON THE REPUBLICANS

Now the dust and tumult has settled down perhaps one can give a more reasoned assessment of what the mid term election result might mean for the GOP. Certainly they 'dished' the Democrats but in doing so it will be interesting to see how the creative tension that exists between the Tea Party movement and the Republican establishment plays out.

Certainly the Tea Party movement was a significant factor in the Republican success but it is fascinating the parallel that can be drawn between them and mainstream Republicans and ACT and National. Tea Party activists and Actoids tend to be ideologues utterly convinced of the logic of their arguments and for whom compromise is almost tantamount to treason. Tea Party activists are suspicious of Republicans much the same way as Actoids are suspicious of Nationalists. I suspect some of them hate mainstream Republicans more than they do the Democrats. Same same here and Redbaiter falls into that camp.

But while the Tea Party movement enjoyed considerable success with major victories in the Senate elections in Kentucky, Florida and elsewhere their inexperience and preference to put their weight behind 'true believers' who later turned out to be electoral liabilities in Delaware (where their candidate was a witch); in Nevada; in Colorado and in Alaska (where the Sara Palin endorsed Joe Miller was beaten by the now Independent Republican Senator whom he beat in the Republican Primary) arguably cost the Republicans control of the Senate.

There has to be some maturing in the Tea Party movement and a working accommodation established between them and mainstream Republicans to avoid their splitting off and going it alone as a third party movement. That doesn't work in a FPP environment and would serve only to entrench the Democrats in government.

Equally too the Republican establishment has to accept that the Tea Party movement reflects the desire of many Americans to roll back unsustainable budget deficits and get out of their lives . Republicans might say that but their track record when they held they levers of power does not inspire confidence. The Tea Party movement can be characterised as the conscience of the Republican Party. Many would argue that a revitalised ACT can fulfill the same role in NZ politics.

One other comment. The election saw the decimation of the so called 'Blue Dog' Democrats (the Democrat conservative wing). Their numbers in Congress were more than halved to just 25. The Democrats are now totally dominated and beholden to their Liberal wing. Obama may make noises about consensus and compromise but the reality is that is all smoke and mirrors. The Democrats will go full steam on the George Sorus agenda.

This presents great opportunity for the 'new' new right in US politics. Get it right and the prize is theirs. Getting it wrong is not an option.

102 comments:

Anonymous said...

Oh dear, you criticised the Tea Party and Sarah Palin.

Cue mindless abuse from Redbaiter.

JC said...

There are far too many differences to even consider ACT as similar to the Tea Party..

1. ACT was started by former Cabinet ministers of a traditionally left wing party. There's baggage right there.

2. ACT is a registered political party, the TP is not, and is not beholden to the disciplines of a political party.

3. The TP has a majority of women.. ACT is anathema to most women.

4. ACT sought the big money from the big money people. The TP started with and remains a grouping of little people who have worked to take over the Republican Party at the grass roots level.

5. The TP has a beautiful and charismatic woman as its most well known champion, yet the TP is independent of her in many respects.

6. The TP has no national leadership.. it remains at this time as an organic movement whose leaders are unidentifiable and thus cannot be attacked; in this respect it more resembles a radical group akin to the movements of the 1960s than a political party.

7. Despite being clearly aligned with the Repubs, it endorses Democrats who meet its relatively limited objectives. ACt can hardly do that because of its candidate structure.

8. The TP takes as its constitution.. the Constitution of the United States.. and all the history associated with that document which gives pride of place to God and the innate rights of Man. ACT has nothing to compare, and no NZ history with such bright lines on how to operate.

Nope, ACT isn't a credible vehicle for much beyond what it already is. Its miles away from grassroots.

JC

DenMT said...

I don't want to add fuel to the troll-fire, and this is genuinely not intended as antagonistic but I find it pretty ironic that some of the same sources that castigated Obama supporters for their fawning over him in a quasi-messianic fashion are now lauding Sarah Palin in exactly the same way.

Sauce for the goose etc.

DenMT

Redbaiter said...

What is the use of bloggers if they're only going to be echo chambers for the far left mainstream media. This post is such nonsense its laughable. The writer has no idea what is going on and his brainless assertions, so easy to make, are so numerous and so utterly wrong its beyond practicality to correct them.

Dump this idiot Adolf, he's a bigger embarrassment than Psycho.

DenMT said...

I know you get suspicious of whole blog posts that consist of thoughtful analysis without namecalling or mean-spirited ranting, Redbaiter, but is it really grounds for calling for censorship?

DenMT

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Red, it's his blog but if he operated by my rules on my blog you would have been sent to your room by now for along spell. Punishment for insulting your blog host.

As a matter of fact The Vet's post is a pretty accurate and calm summary of the result.

DenMT

I think you are somewhat off the mark here-

".....are now lauding Sarah Palin in exactly the same way."

Obama was worshiped by an unquestioning media which failed to probe his abysmal lack of experience and his appalling coterie of weirdo quasi criminal cronies.

Sarah Palin was subjected to an near criminal media persecution in which trumped up lies and innuendo were presented as news stories.

Her experience and success in administration is vast, compared with that of the black arsed illegitmate jackass whose incompetence is epitomised by his obsession with teleprompters and golf clubs.

And BTW, I don't believe Sarah Palin will run for president but by hell she has galvanised the Republican Party which, if it fails to make serious accommodation with the Tea Partiers, will be in deep trouble.

My pick is that she will run as VP again.

The Veteran said...

Redbaiter ... your lack of understanding of US politics is only matched by your inability to respond in any constructive way to any post that challenges your straightjacketed thinking.

All I was doing was pointing out the creative tension that exists between Tea Party activists and mainstream Republican thought.

And if you are so blinkered as to have not picked that up then more fool you.

For JC ... your comment noted but I was refering to Party activists as opposed to the Party per sae (acknowledging that the Tea Party is not a formal Party).

But I reiterate what I said earlier. The Republicans can slam dunk the Democrats if they get it right. My only worry is that activists is in Redbaiter mold have the potential to f**k it up big time.

Simon said...

“mainstream Republican thought”

Lol. God, guns and gays. GOP wedge issue crap which vegetables like Palin revel in.

US constitution Palin wipes her arse with it.

GOP (like the Dems) brought and owned by the financial industry.

Palin campaigned for TARP in 2008. Brought and owned.

The banks in the US need to go under. Until that happens everything else is bullshit.

Only some in the Tea Parties gets this. Time will tell.

Sure President Zero is a utter non entity now but Palin jumped on the TP bandwagon very late is poison.

Dex said...

Wow so now Redbaiter is not only happy with the extreme censorship at his own blog he wants dissenting logical discourse banned on other rightwing blogs as well. Rather ironic given all his squealing about fascism.

"Obama was worshiped by an unquestioning media "

He was worshipped by leftwing media but attacked by the rest, the equal&opposite is happening in Palin's case.

"Her experience and success in administration is vast, "

And now your just being facetious even with Obama being the context for that remark.

She won't run for VP, they won't give her another McCain to sacrifice. It will be all or nothing and judging by her desire to force herself and her family onto all these reality TV shows as a platform, it will be the former.

Anonymous said...

"Sarah Palin was subjected to an near criminal media persecution"

Yes Adolf. Before she decided that she would only deal with Fox News sycophants the media would do nasty things like ask her questions and report her response verbatim! Bastards!

"Her experience and success in administration is vast"

Yeah right. She was the half term governor of one of the smallest states in the union (before she abandoned those who elected her in order to be a reality TV star) and before that was mayor of a town of 10,000. Get real.

"My pick is that she will run as VP again."

Thereby guaranteeing that that's one thing she won't be doing.

Judge Holden

Ackers said...

"Equally too the Republican establishment has to accept that the Tea Party movement reflects the desire of many Americans to roll back unsustainable budget deficits and get out of their lives."

Can't wait for President Palin. Past experience shows that Republicans are absolute wizzes at gettin that good ol budget back into surplus.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/11/where-did-our-debt-come-from/66530/

Anonymous said...

Veteran, the tension that exists in the US is anything but creative.
Whether it's between Dems and Republicans or Rinos and TP's the situation is one of anger. The pivot is the US Constitution. I interact with Americans daily in my business and they are seething.
Progessives because they feel the jig is up, Rinos because their right to elite rule is under challenge, and the TP because they've had enough of both useless packs. Instinctively they all know it can't go on, and they each have everything to lose. It's headed for a dust-up of grand proportions.
They're lucky. They have the Constitution as a reference. We don't, just the words of politicians and their ability to make laws.

George

WAKE UP said...

Anonymous 10.07 is dead right.

Redbaiter said...

Have to laff at all the so called "rightists" here who so grandly strut their left wing ideology and refer so blithely to their left wing media sources. Miserable political incompetents who were so eager to turn NZ into a totalitarian socialist black hole like Kalifornia and the UK and New York, they fall over themselves in a competition to preach the most far left doctrine.

Hopeless numbskulls, selling NZ down the socialist river like the lame arsed losers they all are. There is no resistance to totalitarian socialism in this country. You all fall over yourselves to lick the balls of your leftist masters. Never see the left out there reciprocating, but then, there's no balls to lick is there? When are you losers going to man up and take responsibility for what you have let the left do to NZ, and when are you going to stop letting them do it?

Not in any short time if the pronouncements of the so called "right" on this blog are anything to go by. Still slavishly prostrating themselves to the left ruling classes. Completely clueless, as you have been for decades. Just leftist lap dogs, panting and jumping for a pat on the head from your Progressive masters, and pitiful to observe.

You allowed the left to bring NZ to this precipitous point. If not then who?? When will you admit how useless you have been,and how ineffective you have been, and how you have allowed the left to completely take over and destroy a once wonderful country? When will you ever admit your ineffectiveness? When will you turn from your betrayal of the principles you profess to hold dear and become a force that puts fear into the left. Right now, they look upon you, and the rubbish you write on this blog with smug satisfaction, saying to each other- "The plan's still working as good as it ever has comrades".

Redbaiter said...

"Red, it's his blog but if he operated by my rules on my blog you would have been sent to your room by now for along spell. Punishment for insulting your blog host."

Maybe if he made a post now and again that did not attack me personally I might think of him differently. I speak the truth and to hell with the consequences.

RightsaidFred said...

"When will you admit how useless you have been,and how ineffective you have been,"

Quite ironic really Red, given the sum total of what you have achieved in your decade long Internet warrior crusade against the left.

What exactly have you achieved, aside from wasting a decade of your life, becoming an object of ridicule on both sides and getting yourself banned from most messageboards and blogs?

You've ceased to even be an object of anger for the left, all they do is mock you and treat you as a joke. Your insults don't even work anymore, they just make people pity the trainwreck that your mental health has become.

Can you actually name a single point of difference you've brought about as a result of this Internet Crusade Red?

big bruv said...

Yep, ten years of boring and repetitive insults from the Tuaranga idiot.

Redbaiter seems to think that what he says matters, he has even begun to use words like "we" and "us" when talking about American politics, clearly the man is deluded.

As for his crusade against the evil and dark forces of the left...well it seems he has been about as successful as the rest of us, of course the thing that Red refuses to admit is that he is just as guilty of allowing nine years of a Klark government.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

I must say, from what I read, that the GOP so far seems to have got the message that they need the Tea Partiers on side. It will be interesting to see how the Congress goes once all the new members are sworn in.

I suspect the Republicans Party's Olde Guard will be none too gently shoved to one side come primary time and that's where Sarah Palin will have considerable influence.

Redbaiter said...

"Can you actually name a single point of difference you've brought about as a result of this Internet Crusade Red?"

Many actually, but you make the mistake of thinking there is worth in bandying words with idiots like you and Big Bruv. Both of you have nothing but lies and false assertions and are so morally depraved and disconnected from the roaring rebellion of truth and justice, that you are nowadays nothing but political flotsam and jetsam. Rant on you insignificant insects. Your time is fast approaching its end.

big bruv said...

Redbaiter

"Many actually"

Name one....just one.

Anonymous said...

"Rant on you insignificant insects. Your time is fast approaching its end."

lmao ahhahaha, this guy is a master lvl troll, do Wakeup and co actually exist or are they just more troll figments of this master?

big bruv said...

"Can you actually name a single point of difference you've brought about as a result of this Internet Crusade Red"

Come on Red...it should not be that hard for you.

Redbaiter said...

Come on Red...it should not be that hard for you.

Hell, you really think that I have time in my day to submit myself to interrogation by liars and cowards. One small thing among all the others Bruv, is that you have been well and truly exposed for the fake and the coward and the liar that you are.

big bruv said...

Just one Red...if you have "many" achievements then it cannot be hard to name one of them.

Unless you are full of shit?

Anonymous said...

One single achievement RB, just one and you will make Bruv stfu and go away. Don't you want that?

Redbaiter said...

"Don't you want that?"

I don't give a damn what Bruv does. I've already said I am not interested subjecting myself to interrogation by scum I despise.

Even when they attempt to bolster support for themselves by posting as anonymous, or under other names, as the lying and duplicitous coward Bruv is well known to do.

big bruv said...

You cannot name any achievement can you Redbaiter, despite ten years of abuse and mindless rants you have achieved absolutely nothing.

Ha ha, ten wasted years of your miserable life, what a loser you are.

Redbaiter said...

If you already knew the answer, why are you so desperately asking the question/ You're just full of false assertions Bruv. Thee isn't a comment you make here or anywhere else that isn't full of them. So infantile. You have zero regard for truth, and its why you'll never ever be a right winger. The left are defined by their lies and deceit and cowardice, and you therefore are one of them for those reasons as much as any others.

big bruv said...

Of course I already knew the answer Redbaiter, it is clear to anybody (except for your moronic shadow Kris K) that you are full of shit.

Interestingly enough it has also shown you to be a liar, you were asked what you had achieved, you said "many things", I asked you to name just one of them, clearly you cannot.

Therefore, you are indeed full of shit.

WAKE UP said...

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=40140

Doddz said...

Just 1 worthwhile achievement, and that dickless fhead bruv will have to fkoff with his tail between his legs. Hurry up and shame him out Redbaiter

dad4justice said...

big bruv brendan dugan type creep,go ask Farrar for some more demerits for me you fucked in head yellow pus ball aids victim.

JT said...

Go do some more marriange counselling.

big bruv said...

Four hours have passed, four hours and still Red Russell cannot name one single thing that his internet war has achieved in the last ten years.

dad4justice said...

Oh look it's fat brendan foaming more dribble over its keyboard. Go fuck yourself fat boy big blouse.
Your type are pathetic weak wimps.

big bruv said...

What's the matter D4J, have you had a hard day?

Been arrested again have you?

Anonymous said...

Russell's spent the last ten years recruiting a trusty band of committable disciples and turning them into a wicked conservative christian music-based dance crew. Just you wait and see when he, KG, Wake-up and Kris K leave their basements, why there will be no stopping them. You commies are really gonna get served. No achievements? Pfft.

Judge Holden

dad4justice said...

brendan dugan the coward of the county. Go fuck yourself big blouse you disgraceful arse hole.

Fuck you need a REAL LESSON in manners you piece of shit.

big bruv said...

D4J

You really do need some new material, seriously dude, the same old boring threats of violence are wearing a bit thin.

Redbaiter said...

Dad, he's not Brendan Dugan. BD is a decent guy with a bit of self respect and some personal honour. He lives in Tauranga.

Big bruv is just a little despicable coward from Auckland, and I know Mr. Dugan would never act in the way BB does.

The only thing big about Bruv is his mouth and he's got a damn cheek asking anyone what they've achieved when all he's ever managed is to bend over and take it up the arse from the Progressives for fifty years.

The worst is that he loved every second of it, so much, he's still begging for more in almost every post he makes. He's an enabler. Without fools like him, this country would still be riding high instead of sinking fast in a sea of socialist shit.

That he has the impertinence to ask questions of people who despise him is just more evidence of how he doesn't get it. He never will. With one foot in the grave and another on a roller skate, he'll slip in there one day still doing all he can to keep the left in power. They'll send flowers to his funeral in gratitude for what he has done for them.

Dex said...

Why can't you just state one single thing you have achieved and make Bruv look like a fool RB?

big bruv said...

Just one Red...just one.

Redbaiter said...

"Why can't you just state one single thing you have achieved and make Bruv look like a fool RB?"

Just because I'm in a good mood Dex, I'll put my certainty that you're just another of BB's many personas and tell you for the last fucking time- I have never allowed myself to be interrogated by silly old fuckwits like Bruv, slimy little cowards who mistakenly believe they are worthy of an answer. They're not worth spit.

They are scum, and all I will ever have for them is contempt. I have written many a post before on what I have achieved. If you're that interested search it out. If not then fuck off with your pathetic deceit and your feeble whining. I give you not much more credibility that I do Big Bluster. 9 to 1 you're him anyway.

Redbaiter said...

How many different names have you used on this thread Big Bluster? C'mon, answer the question.

Redbaiter said...

What's up? Can't answer the question yellow back. Let me ask it again. How many names have you posted under on this thread you cowardly POS?

Dex said...

I think everyone is just waiting for your answer Red. Trying to turn it around is a little bit obvious, not to mention desperate.

Redbaiter said...

I've already given the answer Bruv. Surely even you are not such a retard you can't comprehend that fact. I don't dance to the tune of cowards and liars. You're so interested search it. Moron.

In th emean time, just tell the readers how many ID's you've used on this thread. Be honest for once in your worthless life you slimy cheating arsehole.

DenMT said...

Wow. Overnight the thread has become another trollfest.

Anyways, Adolf: I don't know that Palin has so much 'galvanised' the Republican base as 'polarised' them. As much as various elements within the American rightwing like her rough-around-the-edges soccer mum type style, I'm not sure that people are going to vote for her en masse. As Veteran points out, the Tea Party as an identifiable brand is fast gaining critical mass as a separate entity which can't be said to represent Republicans as a whole.

If Palin goes the whole hog and hitches her wagon to a new party, she will be unelectable due to the split vote. The only way the Tea Party will work is as a force within drawing the Republicans to the conservative right, which to me as a knuckle-dragging lefty imbecile would be a sad event.

DenMT

Redbaiter said...

"which to me as a knuckle-dragging lefty imbecile would be a sad event."

Hell Den, I'm really surprised you possess the perspicacity to know who you are. Pity Big Bluster didn't possess the modicum of intelligence necessary to do likewise.

Anyway, in the meantime, just keep pissing your pants over Palin. Its heart warming to see such fear and panic among the left as she produces.

Anonymous said...

Veteran - all politics is local. The Tea Party candidates who lost (with the exception of Angle) all did so because of their own individual flaws, not because of a rejection of the Tea Party per se. Scott Brown and Chris Christie have shown that Tea Party people can win in blue states - you just need the right candidate. Christine O'Donnell, and that wrestling woman in Conneticut, were not suitable. Joe Miller had ethics issues in a state already sick of the corruption of their politicians, and that is why he lost - Murkowski, while a Wet, was at least clean by comparison, and many Dems voted for her too to keep Miller out. Angle lost because Reid had a lot of money and fought dirty.

As for the ACT comparisons - bullcrap! ACT are barely to the right of the Democrats politically. There is no NZ equivalent to the Tea Party, and if there was, it would come from within the National Party to unseat Wets for local nominations.

Anonymous said...

"Its (sic) heart warming (sic) to see such fear and panic among the left as she produces."

No fear Russell. No panic either. I really hope she runs in 2012. It'll be hilarious. She'll open her mouth, the press will report what she says and you'll start shrieking about how they're out to get her. You're a bigger joke than she is though. Please don't stop.

Judge Holden

dad4justice said...

Hey big bruv are you going to be billy borker or fot today on kiwiblog? Get a backbone you twisted fucked up piece of shit.

big bruv said...

Red Russ.

Over 20 hours have passed and you are still to name one (just one) point of difference that you have made.

Come on Russ, the (few) faithful morons who hang on your every word are starting to loose faith in you.

WAKE UP said...

"big bruv brendan dugan type creep"

Hey, D4J, why did you bring brendan dugan's name into this ?

Anonymous said...

Russell genuinely thinks he's orchestrated a culture change. His evidence? Kris K and KG ape his hysterical abuse (knuckle-dragging scrotum-sucking POS fucktard commie etc). Seriously, that's his "achievement". Pffft.

Judge Holden

Redbaiter said...

Yawn.......

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

You're Better Than That said...

Yet again, Bullyboy BB shows himself for the utter saddo that he is. How about YOU naming a single point of difference you've made, you spineless twat.

big bruv said...

24 hours now Red.

You must be able to remember something by now.

dad4justice said...

"Hey, D4J, why did you bring brendan dugan's name into this ?"

Sorry got it wrong.My bad. Who the hell is this big bruv creep and why did dirty rat say on kiwiblog that big bruv is Brendan Dugan. I am sorry if I caused offence. No malice intended. What makes this big bruv tick? Man what a big problem it has.

You're Better Than That said...

D4J...You've just displayed more class and dignity in your apology than BB could ever summon, detritus that he is. How Kiwiblog puts up with him is beyond me.

big bruv said...

You're Better Than That said

You could not be more wrong about D4J, the man is a compulsive liar, he has also managed to con so many people into believing that he has been "wronged" somehow.

Initially I was of that opinion, however, now that I know he is a compulsive liar I am of the opinion the he has deserved everything that has come his way.

D4J is a nasty misogynist with a huge anger management problem, it does not surprise me that he is no stranger to the Police.

dad4justice said...

big bruv I help police, ask Canterbury CIB you fucked up creep. You know nothing you deranged gutless wanker!

Fuck I am sick of you.

dad4justice said...

big bruv is full of that much shit it is beyond a sick joke.This yellow coward needs a fucking good lesson in manners. You're day is coming ####!

Do they let angry people help within the justice system? Gawd you are a fucked up liar.

Don't answer you pathetic slimeball coward.

Who is this creep?

You're Better Than That said...

I a complete novice at this blogging bullshit..but from looking back at archives, it would seem RB & dad4J have been unfairly treated by Kiwiblog, Big Bruv, I'm a 42 year old female, not particularly radical, but don't like bullying when I see it. Y'all do yourselves no favours, with this endless "flame throwing", obviously there's intellect on both sides, (please don't scream at me), but you never going to agree. How about a truce in the light of the mining tragedy.

I know you are ALL better than that.

big bruv said...

You're Better Than That said...

I appreciate that you are new at this "blogging bullshit" and as such I can see how you might have come to the conclusion that RB and D4J might have been harshly treated.

Unfortunately the facts (and history) do not back up that conclusion.

Let's start with D4J.
For some reason D4J has been stalking me across the internet for months, largely I have ignored him. For some reason this seems to drive him into an even greater rage, I will make comment about a particular topic and for no reason what so ever this enrages D4J to the extent that he flies into a fit of abuse, this abuse ranges from mild to outright threats of violence.
When he is questioned about these threats by other contributors he starts telling the most outrageous lies as some form of justification.

I also note that you said you were a 42 year old lady, I hope for your sake that you do not class yourself as a feminist, D4J reserves a special type of hatred for feminist ladies, if you stick around long enough you will see why I have called him a misogynist.

As for Redbaiter, well, Red has been around the blogging world for ten years, in that ten years he has spewed forth his very own type of hatred.
In his tiny little mind he is fighting an almost lone battle against the dark forces of communism, anybody who does not agree with him and his extremist right wing views is branded as a commie.
Lately he seems to have become even more unhinged, he is being influenced by the hard religious right and by the Tea Party fools in the USA (oh, if you don't want to piss Red off then don't tell him that Kiwis are not entitled to vote in the Yankee elections, for some reason he thinks he can, hence the use of words like "we" and "us" when he talks about that idiot Palin and the rest of the Tea party loonies)

Again, all you have to do is stick around for a bit to see Red in action, yes, the insults are all the same (I suspect they are cut and paste jobs), and yes they are terribly tedious after a while.

Redbaiter thinks he is fighting a daily battle against communism, he also thinks that he and only he has all the answers, so much so that he actually abused a contributor to this blog who risked his life fighting (with guns and bullets) real communists.

So, there you go, take what I have said anyway you like, however what I have found is that the internet is a very forgiving place most of the time, the people who hang around in here will tolerate a wide range of views, it takes a lot to get a reaction, it is for this reason that anytime the blogging world has a crack at D4J or Redbaiter then they more than bloody well deserve it.

dad4justice said...

You are one cowardly sick mongrel big bruv. How long can this creep keep lying over the internet.

Hells bells this #### is one fucked up unit.

Who is he? Please tell me, as this must be sorted for once and all. FFS.

dad4justice said...

big bruv when I find out who you are put the jug on mate.

big bruv said...

You're Better Than That said...

See what I mean?

More threats of violence from D4J.

dad4justice said...

FFS - Mo threat bug bruv. No violence, as I detest it.Look here, I want a face to face civil meeting with you as does my lady partner and two daughters.We all wnat to know why? I am a reasonable man, but you are one cowardly internet snake. Front up face to face meeting, I'll arrange for police present no worries eh coward? Good on worm take a chance. Cup of coffee or beer? Go on tough boy.

dad4justice said...

big bruv police have said no problems for them to sit in on a meeting.

Come on boy show us all your true colour.

dad4justice said...

big bruv , a simple yes or no, as police are busy people.

big bruv said...

D4J

I am going to break my own rules and reply to you (goodness knows why).

Tell me why I would want to sit down with you and have a beer or a coffee?

I would rather drive six inch nails into my eyes than waste five minutes of my life with you, there is nothing that I want to hear you say and nothing that you do that is of any interest to me what so ever.
Do you really think that five minutes with you is going to change my mind?

You claim that you are reasonable yet nothing I have ever seen or read would support that claim, everything you have to say is filled with hate and bitterness.

Why don't you stop stalking me and get on with your own miserable little life, I am sure there are plenty of those evil feminists out there that you can spend your energy on.

Oh..and please, why would you even think the police would need to be there, that is the danger of making threats D4J, one day one of us might just take you up on it.

dad4justice said...

Haha big blouse,I want the police there so they can tell you what great work I have done for society.

Look wanker face to face meeting or shut up you gutless wonder.

dad4justice said...

No threats big blouse. How about a meeting? Come on coward.

You're Better Than That said...

Without adding fuel to an already brightly burning fire, it would appear you BB have been the one harassing D4J, to the point where he's been forced to call in the Constabulary? That's certainly the impression I have. If I'm wrong, I sincerely apologise for any profanities I may have tossed your way, but I can only go on what I read.

RightsaidFred said...

"it would appear you BB have been the one harassing D4J, to the point where he's been forced to call in the Constabulary"

Rofl, what the hell is wrong with your comprehension?

D4J is a severly unhinged individual who keeps making threats to meet up with people who 'annoy' him on the internet because he lacks the intellect to respond on an adult level.

His level of delusion is such that he is now claiming to be some friend of the Police and that they will even come and sit in on these 'chats' he will be having with people. How can you seriously believe an individual who makes such claims?

Unless your another one of Reds 'personalities' which seems rather likely and are just here to stir the pot.

dad4justice said...

"D4J is a severly unhinged individual"

Really that's why I help at the courthouse, policestation and prison.

Fuck off liar, get your facts straight you internet bullshitter.

Gawd bloggers are cowardly liars.

RightsaidFred said...

Ok then D4J if your not deluded you will be tell us who the Senior Sergeant is and what station they are based at, that has given authorization for you to utilize a couple of Constables to sit in and mediate a meeting between you and whatever internet enemy has pissed you off this week?

dad4justice said...

And your real name is?
I rest my case.

You're Better Than That said...

Thanks for the abuse RightsaidFred...you've confirmed my previous summations of BB and his cohorts. Unlike BB I am a real individual, quite separate from D4J, and I'm sure he's not in the habit of creating imaginary friends, unlike many in this weird world.

RightsaidFred said...

Quite separate and yet you post within 30 seconds of each other.

What exactly does my name have to do with you simply pointing out what station commander has given you permission to use cops as referees in your internet battles, D4J?

Cmon prove your not deluded and simply making stuff up, the Snr Sgt will be able to verify that your legit, just name him or her?

dad4justice said...

If rightsaidfred is prepared to step out from behind the pseudonym and give me a real name I can give you a real police officer with a real complaint number. Really folks the gutless wonder big bruv type cowardly creeps that infest blogosphere are stupid fools. Sorry I don't give such information away to some cowardly blogger with a name of a poofter band.

Heine said...

I instantly turned off when I saw it was another lame attempt to attack ACT. Not our fault we hold onto a set of beliefs for more than ten minutes.

Anonymous said...

"Not our fault we hold onto a set of beliefs for more than ten minutes."

Rofl. Yes it is. You don't have to believe in a magical invisible hand which will one day bring you lots and lots of money Heine. You can let it go anytime you want to.

BTW, David Garrett.

Judge Holden

You're Better Than That said...

"Quite separate and yet you post within 30 seconds"

Trust me, my fingers aren't that nimble, D4J and I were obviously posting at same time!!

The Gantt Guy said...

This is #86, Vet. And not one of them has even mentioned the topic since #51. Last time Bruv got into a flame war here, Adolf shut off comments at #93. Nearly there, keep it up!

Redbaiter said...

Its a wonder Bruv gets time to write anything anywhere else he's so busy emailing Farrar with his pissy letters of complaint.

Slimy cowardly dobber. Nothing worse than a nark.

Farrar should know better than to deal with this yellow POS.

RightsaidFred said...

Hasn't he promised to leave though if you can state just one demonstable achievement you have accomplished in your decade long campaign Red?

Surely can't be that hard to come up with one single thing is it?

Redbaiter said...

You fucking dumb parrot. How many times do I need to point out that I do not submit to interrogations by people I despise. You can ask as often as you want Bruv. I don't deal with vermin.

You fucking dumb parrot. How many times do I need to point out that I do not submit to interrogations by people I despise. You can ask as often as you want Bruv. I don't deal with vermin.

You fucking dumb parrot. How many times do I need to point out that I do not submit to interrogations by people I despise. You can ask as often as you want Bruv. I don't deal with vermin.

You fucking dumb parrot. How many times do I need to point out that I do not submit to interrogations by people I despise. You can ask as often as you want Bruv. I don't deal with vermin.

You fucking dumb parrot. How many times do I need to point out that I do not submit to interrogations by people I despise. You can ask as often as you want Bruv. I don't deal with vermin.

Repeated for convenience. Next few times you write here demanding answers to your questions, just look back and read one. As if someone who pretends to be so many different posters is worth anything more than contempt. You guys with out any moral restraint fucking up message boards every where you go by cheating and lying are just lowlife vermin. That you cannot seem to appreciate the fact is even more evidence of your moral bankruptcy. You just don't get it do you?

SaidrightFred said...

So I guess what your trying to say Red, is that you despite calling everyone else ineffective, you yourself having devoted basically the past 10 years of your life to effect change via your internet warrior ways have achieved the grand total of......

Nothing.

DenMT said...

Goddamn, 90 comments, of which about 80 are a shitfight between Redbaiter, D4J, Big Bruv etc. I'm almost certain this is not what Al Gore had in mind when he invented the internet. Thanks for lowering the tone about fifty notches guys, top work.

DenMT

FAIRFACTS MEDIA said...

But DenMT
Look what such comments would do for No Minister's place on Tim Selwyn's Hot 100 if he was still doing it :)

big bruv said...

So despite ten years of bluster and abuse Redbaiter cannot name one single thing his campaign has achieved.

Not one.

So despite ten years of bluster and abuse Redbaiter cannot name one single thing his campaign has achieved.

Not one.

So despite ten years of bluster and abuse Redbaiter cannot name one single thing his campaign has achieved.

Not one.

So despite ten years of bluster and abuse Redbaiter cannot name one single thing his campaign has achieved.

Not one.

So despite ten years of bluster and abuse Redbaiter cannot name one single thing his campaign has achieved.

Not one.

So despite ten years of bluster and abuse Redbaiter cannot name one single thing his campaign has achieved.

Not one.

So despite ten years of bluster and abuse Redbaiter cannot name one single thing his campaign has achieved.

Not one.

Socrtaes said...

And talking of Palin. Aren't we glad to see she is such a supporter of North Korea. I didn't realise she is a Communist!

"The woman considered a likely candidate for the presidency of the United States in 2012 told an interviewer on Glenn Beck's radio show: "We've got to stand with our North Korean allies"."

Redbaiter said...

"Thanks for lowering the tone about fifty notches guys, top work."

Yeah, you're dead right for once Den. Funny thing is your apparent compulsion to come back and read it. :)

I always get a smile from observing examples of the rank hypocrisy that typifies the left.

Must be worse for The Veteran. He knows if he ever makes a post without mentioning Redbaiter's name it will probably get stuff all replies by comparison.

onelaw4all said...

"The woman considered a likely candidate for the presidency of the United States in 2012 told an interviewer on Glenn Beck's radio show: "We've got to stand with our North Korean allies"."

It's pretty unlikely that Palin would consider running for office again after the MSM campaign to destroy her in the 08 cycle.
Heaven forbid she mispeaks and substitutes North for South on one occasion in an interview.

At least she hasn't visited "57" U.S. states while campaigning for POTUS.
Heaven help the fools that would elect such a candidate,, right?

Woops...

Anonymous said...

With her track record and ignorance of world affairs one can hardly attribute her twice stating in an interview with Beck and North Korea were our allies and to stand in solidarity with them.

Walking, talking doll, looks good but fake inside.

onelaw4all said...

"With her track record and ignorance of world affairs"

I would back her "track record" and knowledge of "world affairs" over the current VP any day.

Want to go there?

Again, I reiterate, this is a moot point, with her being extremely unlikely to run for office in 2012.

Are you able to perform such a critique on Obama/Biden, Anon?

Anonymous said...

What? you actually need help to find stuff on Biden Ol4A? seriously he has made more albeit kinda innocent in more a Ronald Reagen type vein, screw ups than even Palin.

Are you somehow saying that because Biden has made countless screw ups we can't make fun of Palin when she often displays a complete ignorance of world affairs, history and geography?

Didn't think Biden being a joke invalidated Palins stupidity.

onelaw4all said...

No, I don't need help to find "stuff" on Biden, or Obama for that matter.

I just find it interesting how the Left come together to criticise people like Palin, based mostly on the 2008 MSM campaign against her.

For a fascinating insight into that:

Media Malpractice How Obama Got Elected
Some samples from youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQSv2WhRuds

Anonymous said...

"how the Left come together to criticise people like Palin, based mostly on the 2008 MSM campaign against her."

I think you will find that she is also hated by many amongst the right as well. Ie Bush, Rove and co.

Not for her politics, but for her stupidity.

The Veteran said...

Folks ... I have watched this from afar with a degree of amusement and sadness.

This was a post pointing out the opportunities that exist for the Republican Party PROVIDED they can reach a sensible accomopdation with the Tea Party movement.

Nothing more, nothing less.

This 'flame war' leaves me cold and contributes nothing to the sum total of human intelligence.

End of thread.