Wednesday, October 27, 2010

Union doh

Kalamity Kelly has set the union movement back decades.
Getting involved was her first mistake and I cannot possibly imagine how they are going to spin the fix.
Not only did they not get what they wanted but they opened the door for a wildly popular prime Minister to make employment law less worker friendly for the very people who were agitating in the first place.
Lying, getting caught in the lie and then insulting a national living treasure probably didn't help either.
One positive will come out of this though. Robyn Malcolm may stick to acting and leave the childlike political campaigning to others.

25 comments:

David said...

"wildly popular prime Minister"

Indeed. And his latest announcement saving the Hobbit is only to be sure to make him even more popular.

Does anybody doubt now he will get reelected...

Anonymous said...

I'd rather have a PM who's hated because then I know he/she is doing a fantastic job. The most effective politicians are the ones who are despised.

Barnsley Bill said...

Anonymous, have to disagree with you on that one.
The previous creature to be PM who I shall call "the Beast" was wildly unpopular in my house and in fact many other houses as well.
Many families who lost babies due to her ideological cock fingering of birthing in this country would probably think she was pretty shit too.
What we have now is a competent PM who is popular.
And who is not called baby killer!

Anonymous said...

If I was a techo in the film/ TV industry I'd be telling the director to tell Malcolm to fuck off, the bitch nearly cost those guys their livelihood, so deserves everything she gats if she gets blacklisted.

Psycho Milt said...

I agree with your post, except for the stuff about Kelly. She didn't have any choice about getting involved, her involvement resolved the dispute and the fact people are spinning this as something to with "the unions" says only that political opportunities will be seized and used.

NZAE are the people who've set the union movement back decades. They've handed the right a total victory on this one. Key gets to do what right-wing govts love to do - help the people with the money fuck the people who do the actual work up the arse, and extend the opportunities for the people with the money to avoid paying taxes - and the voters are not only not complaining about it, they're feeling grateful to him for doing it. That's quite an achievement there, actors. BB is right - stick to acting.

MB said...

I agree with the psycho rxcept Helen K's handling of the whole thing has been lamentable

Simon said...

Long term with global wage arbitrage there is not a lot the unions can do for the masses. Basically companies are moving production to low wage economies like China or India.

Even outsourcing lawyers to India now.

If you have a specialization like acting then you are probably ok but if they can fly the actors into Bulgaria to make the movie then the unions are going to struggle.

Anonymous said...

kelly saved the movie....wtf planet are you on Milt? The actions of that smarmiy bitch cost the govt $30m in potential bribe money, (which is a good thing in books but not for the reasons you are purporting...)
How exactly are the workers getting fucked in the arse???? by my take on it, the actors are having their arses protected from the IRD/TRA ass rapists, who try to take away legitimate business owners rights, and impose minimum wage standards on industries. The fact that actors will now have enshrined in law protections to guarantee the legitimization of their expenses claims, and thus the minimisation of their taxable income is a boon any worker would dearly love. To be able to claim your vehicle expenses incluuding petrol insurance rego & maintenance, rent, electricity, computer depreciation, telecommunications etc expenses out of pretax income is hardly getting ass raped in my books.
In essence I doubt whether the hard done by workers will pay more than 10% of their pre-tax $5k per week income in income tax.

gravedodger said...

I have only watched a little of "Outrageous Fortune" since Ms Malcolm became politically active, in a public sense, and she is absolute crap at both. She may get somewhere with the desperates of Labour and or the Greens as a sop to the ignorant but her efforts to assist the maniacal MEAA prick should have her files at any casting agency red flagged for all time now.

Psycho Milt said...

kelly saved the movie....wtf planet are you on Milt?

The planet where people read what was actually written, rather than making shit up. Kelly's involvement resulted in the boycott being lifted - whether that "saved the movie" or not isn't something I have an opinion on.

How exactly are the workers getting fucked in the arse???? by my take on it, the actors are having their arses protected from the IRD/TRA ass rapists...

Actors, schmactors. The people Key is shafting are the skilled workers handling technical aspects of the movie. The courts recently found that Weta Digital can't put someone in a job that essentially makes them an employee, then weasel out of giving them the rights due an employee by declaring them to be an independent contractor. That idea gives Warner the shits - if you have to treat employees as employees, that's more money in the hands of the people whose job is making the movie and less money in the hands of the people whose job is making money, an unacceptable situation. Key has helped them out by overriding the courts and legislating this movie's right to call employees independent contractors with the express purpose of stripping them of their rights as employees. Ordinarily, everyone would be pissed off about that, but thanks to NZAE everyone's cheering him for it. Epic fail.

Inventory2 said...

Milt; by the time that the boycott was lifted, the damage had been done, and Helen Kelly's anti-employer rhetoric will be a major memory of this dispute. Even this morning she is refusing to admit that the unions which she supported stuffed up.

Inventory2 said...

Here's what Helen "The Saviour" Kelly is saying this morning - from the Herald:

Council of Trade Unions president Helen Kelly said although the CTU was pleased the films would be made here, it had concerns about what it saw as unnecessary changes to employment law.

"This is just another attack on workers' rights. We think it's opportunistic and unfortunate that a multi-national company can come in and command changes to the law.

"What does that say about New Zealand?"

It was "outrageous" and "really unfair" that Prime Minister John Key had failed to accept union assurances that there would be no disruption of filming, or pass those assurances on to Warner Bros, Ms Kelly said.


It's nice to know that she is still filled with "good faith"!

Psycho Milt said...

Milt; by the time that the boycott was lifted, the damage had been done...

By other people. Perhaps the blame for that damage should be directed at them, rather than the person who had to clean up afterwards?

...and Helen Kelly's anti-employer rhetoric will be a major memory of this dispute.

For the anti-union people, yes. But they aren't her constituency.

Even this morning she is refusing to admit that the unions which she supported stuffed up.

Her job is to support unions, so this is hardly surprising.

As to her comments to the Herald, they seem like a fair and accurate assessment of the situation to me - what's your complaint?

The Gantt Guy said...

Rant
Anon (8.28am) while I agree the law change is good, I don't see why it shouldn't extend to all industries. I'm a Project Manager specialising in multi-year, multi-million dollar transformation projects. I don't give a fat rat's arse about things like holiday pay or redundancy, etc. I prefer a daily rate for the time I am there, and if my client doesn't want me any more, I'd rather they tell me to fuck off than have to put up with knowing they don't want me but having to go through some drawn out process that results in the same thing (the client and I agree to part ways). In AUS I can do that, set up a corporate entity to minimise the amount the government steals from me and have open, honest relationships with my clients. In NZ, the tax office would deem that because >80% of my income comes from one client, I am effectively their employee. Fuck that, I say. I should be free to enter into any commercial arrangements I deem appropriate (or not, as the case may be) without the government trying to "protect" me from my clients! One of the many, many reasons I consider myself an economic and cultural exile from my homeland.
/Rant

Anonymous said...

I don't see why it shouldn't extend to all industries.

Abso-fucking-lutely. All industries, all workers. It would be a great simplification of NZ's industrial "relations" framework - and would end union terrorism forever.

It would, for example, completely remove the need to the "3 month trial" period, by standardising conditions across all industries and employees.

The sooner the law recognises the facts that employers take the risks, establish the businesses, and that at the end of the day its their fucking money - the better!

Anonymous said...

Kelly:
It was "outrageous" and "really unfair" that Prime Minister John Key had failed to accept union assurances that there would be no disruption of filming, or pass those assurances on to Warner Bros, Ms Kelly said.
Milt:
As to her comments to the Herald, they seem like a fair and accurate assessment of the situation to me - what's your complaint?

the complaint is that she is trying to rewrite history. The clear facts are that she brought the CTU wading into the affair, because it fitted with the general strike action which was in action over the past 2-3 weeks by varying unions, which no doubt has been co-ordinated to produce the most amount of disruption to the government (Non-Labour thereby automatically unfair). Unfortunately for her, Warners are used to this shit from their own Californian actors guilds, and so the response was to do what film companies have been doing for the last decade or 2, and simply saying, "well you don't want the work then, so screw you we'll go elsewhere, its a global market, theres lots of pretty scenary in evedry continent on the planet, so we'll go where people want to actually work and finish the jobs/contracts they have been contracted and will be remunerated to do".
In Kelly's desire to stick it to Key, she blew it big-time, the fact that she was chaperoning and offering big union support to the Australian interloper left the populace in no 2 minds that her objective was to back the MEAA to the hilt.
She failed EPICALLY, and is now trying to save face, by blaming all and sundry for her failure. Misdirecting the blame to the Govt for having to resort to clarification/ legalisation of the case law and still trying to get cheap shots, by assuming that Warners would have accepted a lesser position than that offered is just smoke and mirrors. Was she privy to the discussions? Unlikely given she was one of the antagonists that caused the threatened pull out any way. Good faith blah blah... seems to be applicable to the employer only, the union just do whatever the fuck they feel like, and the labour courts back them. Its time for some rebalancing, and recognition of the role and risks involved in free enterprise.

Anonymous said...

The unions and the CTU LOST BIG TIME

You Lost! We Won!! EAT THAT!!!


Time for Rodders to grow a backbone.

All "employees". All industries. All contracts.

All "at will".

This would be a much, much, simpler amendment that the stupid Hobbit special Key & co are foisting on NZ.

Rodney can make the right thing happen - it's in his manifesto - but has he got the guts?

Anonymous said...

"I should be free to enter into any commercial arrangements I deem appropriate (or not, as the case may be) without the government trying to "protect" me from my clients"

Exactly but we can't because the IRD find contractors hard to get money out of even at the point of a gun. This makes IRD's masters very reluctant to give us real freedom (and that's understandable if you are in their position). They want PAYE for everyone and keep picking on some contractor based industries - like couriers - every few years to test the waters. Following the money always holds true.

I left the union as soon as I could. During a big restructure they were absolutely hopless but I was happy to take the money so didn't care. I recall the story of the wharfies making the Marines unload their own cargo in Wellington in 1942 because it was raining. It is alleged that a marine tagged a wall writing "All wharfies is bastards".

Psycho Milt said...

the complaint is that she is trying to rewrite history

That's a pretty funny complaint, given the rest of your comment that follows it.

Anonymous said...

believe what you like Milt, you are clearly deluding yourself, the result speaks for itselfOutcome: CTU -1
contractors: +1
Key +3 % opinion polls
NZ economy + >$1B (incl incr tourism spin offs)

So all in all epic fail by the union idiots
credit where it is due, I have been a critic of Key for his hopeless slow retreat from the policies of socialiceism

Psycho Milt said...

So all in all epic fail by the union idiots

Well, duh. When you find someone who thinks otherwise, do let us know. Doesn't get beyond "two legs good, four legs bad" for you, does it?

Anonymous said...

on the contrary, 4 legs means 4 roasts, a very good outcome indeed

Anonymous said...

Milt: I object to your defence of Kelly. Never let it be forgotten, she labeled a creative and very successful NZer as a "spoilt brat!" Was she forced to?

She has truly done free association a huge favour now that she has revealed trades union to be more attuned to destroying capitalism and enterprise than protecting workers' rights. She and her ilk are malevolent creeps.

Cadwallader

Psycho Milt said...

Never let it be forgotten, she labeled a creative and very successful NZer as a "spoilt brat!"

That really is all you guys have got, isn't it? The people involved in a dispute weren't very complimentary about each other - oh, the humanity!

Anonymous said...

i hear that if you mix clay with sand you can get a reasonable mix for soil, just in case the taste of sand from having your head buried in the sand (metaphoriacally of course) is getting a little bland Milt