Sunday, August 29, 2010

KUDOS TO JUDITH COLLINS

and the National/Act Government (you will note the deliberate omissions) in deciding to continue to exempt Police/Military/Firefighters Bars from the restrictions imposed by the Liquor Licensing Act. The 'one glove fits all' approach is hardly the recipe for good policy making.

No matter that the soon to be ex-Commissioner Broad and Police Headquarters were locked into the 'PC' mentality nurtured so well under the Labour Government that he/they argued for doing away with the exemption. That just shows their disconnect from those at the coal face of their profession. Policing is a 24/7 operation and those doing the hard yards cannot just wander into their local to unwind. Clearly there are some in the community bereft of the wit or intelligence to figure that out. Equally clearly and isn't that good that they no longer have their hands on the levers of power.

As for the Military and I can attest that Officer's and Sergeant's Messes; Corporal's Clubs and OR's Canteens are run responsibly. Excessive use of alcohol is not the norm and anyone pushing the boundaries is likely to find themselves having a 'come to Jesus' talk with the system. It is also a matter of record that the consumption of alcohol in the military has markedly reduced over the past couple of decades.

Have no great knowledge of Firefighters Bars and have only been in one once but I can imagine that, like the police, there is a need to unwind after having to pull bits of bodies from cars and the like ... part of the coping process.

So, to end where I started. Congrats to Judith Collins for standing up to the wowsers and do gooders whose experience of the realities of life is probably limited to their time in the Scouts/Guides (with no reflection on those two very worthy organisations).

10 comments:

Tinman said...

Clearly there are some in the community bereft of the wit or intelligence to figure that out

I admit to being one of these.

I agree that firemen (and ambulancemen, doctors etc.) deserve a bar set for their own times and happily allow the armed services, with one exception, to do what they want as long as they are there when we need them but NOT THE POLICE.

It is the police, in their attempts to create a police state of NZ, who are pushing this disgusting attempt to restrict my freedom and the bastards deserve no favours at all.

I will change my mind on this when the police shut the hell up and work on enforcing the laws elected representatives have put in place.

kehua said...

Tinman = Leadbrain.

Anonymous said...

workplace bars like those that exist but are now unmanned in Hospitals around the country and basically derelict used to be places where the unwinding process took place, the process of which used to be the best way to learn about techniques or treatment modalities with difficult cases or for junior medical officers to learn their trade. Sadly the DHB PZC buffoons have brought about their demise.

Psycho Milt said...

Policing is a 24/7 operation and those doing the hard yards cannot just wander into their local to unwind. Clearly there are some in the community bereft of the wit or intelligence to figure that out.

I'm still waiting for Judith Collins (or Greg O'Connor, or anyone else peddling this) to explain why it's a choice between exempting Police bars from licensing laws, or closing Police bars. This seems like a false dilemma to me, and I've been assuming someone like Collins, a Cabinet Minister with huge responsiblities and a fat salary, would be smarter than that. (Admittedly, on past form there's no reason to assume Collins is smart, but presumably the Nats don't hand out Cabinet posts to complete idiots - oh, hang on a minute...)

Can anyone explain why Police bars can only possibly exist if they're exempt from licensing laws? No really, it's a genuine question - if there's some logical reason for it, then by all means etc.

The Veteran said...

PM ... suggest you read the Act and you will find that bars operate under a raft of constraints that if applied to those three organisations under discussion would severly restrict their ability to function.

To turn your argument on its head. Why, if there is a problem, didn't your mob act to remove the exemption?

Flashman said...

Regardless of the fine words expressed by their apologists, these shebeens promote a hard-drinking organisational culture centered around a core of long-service gentlemen with expensive noses, permanently dry throats and a keen eye for new recruits.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

"...but presumably the Nats don't hand out Cabinet posts to complete idiots - ..."

Like Philip Field or Shane Jones for example?

Psycho Milt said...

...bars operate under a raft of constraints that if applied to those three organisations under discussion would severly restrict their ability to function.

The same presumably applies to any club or association that wants to run a bar for its members. Perhaps it would make more sense to reduce the constraints, rather than dishing out exemptions to particular favourites?

As to why the previous govt didn't do anything about this, it's of little relevance to the question of what the current govt should or shouldn't do.

baxter said...

Police often have to work preplanned and unplanned extended hours often packed with tension and ending at odd hours. They do need to unwind in a supervised manner. The alternative to the Police Bar is a Public Bar packed with 18-20 years olds maybe younger in various states of intoxication. The likely consequences can be envisaged. The Police are lucky to have a Minister who does appreciate this and I am sure the bulk of them appreciate her.

Anonymous said...

I've seen a lot of animal behaviour occur in a certain police bar that you would not get away with in a public bar.