Friday, July 23, 2010

WELL DONE AND KUDOS TO WAYNE MAPP

There was a time when many MPs from across the political spectrum had first hand experience of the military. There was a degree of corporate knowledge and understanding of the military ethos.

No longer. Someone will correct me if I am wrong but until recently the only MPs to have served in our armed forces were Wayne Mapp and Heather Roy (aka Private Benjamin given her penchant for jumping into uniform given the slightest opportunity ... I digress).

In an attempt to redress this Minister Mapp has instituted a programme that allows MPs to spend a week with each of three services. One of the first to sign up to this was Amy Adams, MP for Selwyn. She has just completed a week with the Navy and said it was a valuable and enriching experience.

No-one would ever pretend that those who avail themselves of the opportunity offered are going to become instant experts on things military. But they will meet our soldiers, sailors and airmen at the coalface and gain an inkling of their professionalism as well as hearing at first hand the issues that concern them.

A step in the right direction long overdue. Well done Wayne Mapp.

13 comments:

ZenTiger said...

Ron Marks (NZ first) spent 15 years in the Army and did a couple of stints overseas.

ZenTiger said...

Oh, and I agree - a great idea from Wayne Mapp. A week may not be enough, but it's a start.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

All I can think of is Shane Jones.

"This is the Army Mr Jones
No private rooms and telephones
You had your breakfast in bed before
But you won't have it there anymore."

Anonymous said...

Perhaps MPs should spend all 3 years they are elected for, y'know, actually representing their electorates and parties? Just a thought.

While MPs 'getting to know' state operations may seem clever, they are supposed to already have a basic knowledge of the state and its operations. And their focus is supposed to be on the meta-level, setting and checking budgets are met and rational objectives set. Not on getting their uniform into parade ground standard.

This is as bad as MPs kissing babies. Get a life, and ask the SOE/govt dept for a detailed tour of operations, with maybe small workshop meetings with key personnel to discuss their needs/issues.....

But then you are capitalists - you couldn't even remember Ron 'Fingers' Marks was Army.

Harpoon said...

What would you have said about such a programme if a Labour defence Minister had put it in place?

ZenTiger said...

But then you are capitalists - you couldn't even remember Ron 'Fingers' Marks was Army.

You say "capitalist" like it's a bad thing.

"Focus on meta-level..." blah blah blah is pointless if you can't understand that there are real people at the other end of your high level decision making meta decisions.

For example, running around with full kit might make you more amenable to understanding the benefits of an equipment upgrade.

I'd say other one week stints in a prison cell, in a soup kitchen, in a dole queue and accident A&E might also be instructive.

It's not about kissing babies, but changing nappies.

And in the case of a few lefties, perhaps one week working in a real job?

ZenTiger said...

PS: The name Ron Marks came up in the very first comment.

ZenTiger said...

What would you have said about such a programme if a Labour defence Minister had put it in place?

Still involves work Harpoon... :-)

Anonymous said...

I'd say other one week stints in a prison cell, in a soup kitchen, in a dole queue and accident A&E might also be instructive.


Why the FUCK? Well I guess only if no leftists were allowed. OK on second thoughts it would be great to confirm that prisons are far to soft, soup kitchens feed bludgers, the dole queue is full of bludgers, and A&E full of people who haven't bothered to take out their own private insurance.

Yep. Should be long enough to confirm we can abolish the lot immediately

pdm said...

The Vets omission of Ron Marks is hardly an issue.

After all he was turfed out with Winstons lot at the last eection. However, I do recall him being a strong advocate for the armed services when it suited him.

The Veteran said...

Thank you to those who pointed out the ommisiion of Ron M from my post. It was unintentional because what I had meant to say was 'currently the only MPs'.

Anonymous 10.51. Its nothing about getting parade uniforms up to speed. Not sure they actually wear them and since when has there been a requirement for MPs to have a basic knowledge of the state and its operations?.

Most of those from the 'Left' are fully conversant on how to be irrelevant and not much more.

Anonymous said...

More to the point - require military or police service as a qualification for the franchise or candidature

Not hard to see how different NZ would be if only ex-police and ex-army could vote!

By by Labour!
By by Greens!

and the cops would have gunned down minto & co without a second thought

ZenTiger said...

Anon, if you are going to make a case, try pointing out negatives rather than positives.