Monday, January 18, 2010

Why do I bother


Why do I bother commenting on Red Alert.

When commenting about Bhatnagar v Hide today, Trevor Mallard took the post off thread with this comment:

I’ve just read the denial. Reads like the old Roger Douglas ones.

“The government has no current plans to sell Telecom.” Meant it was going to Cabinet the next day.

No denial whatsoever there.

Interested in the oft repeated lies about what Sir Roger Douglas sold, either without consultation or approval of the then Cabinet, I commented thus:
Is that the same cabinet Helen Clark sat on and approved Telecom's sale?"
Trevor deleted that comment. That's his prerogative. I'm not fussed about that.

But it is worth noting Labour's constant obsession with banning truthful speech that hurts. They did it here with Whale Oil. Mark my words, Hate Speech will be next.

If it's not good enough to state the truth on Red Alert then so be it. I'll just state it here instead.

Roger Douglas didn’t sell Telecom. The 4th Labour Government did. Roger Douglas was Minister of Police during the sale. He hadn’t been Minister of Finance for a year prior to the Telecom sale. Helen Clark, however, had been Deputy Prime Minister for a year prior to the Telecom sale. She voted for the sale in Cabinet and in caucus.

Roger Douglas didn’t sell Telecom. The 4th Labour Government did. Roger Douglas was Minister of Police during the sale. He hadn’t been Minister of Finance for a year prior to the Telecom sale. Helen Clark, however, had been Deputy Prime Minister for a year prior to the Telecom sale. She voted for the sale in Cabinet and in caucus.

Roger Douglas didn’t sell Telecom. The 4th Labour Government did. Roger Douglas was Minister of Police during the sale. He hadn’t been Minister of Finance for a year prior to the Telecom sale. Helen Clark, however, had been Deputy Prime Minister for a year prior to the Telecom sale. She voted for the sale in Cabinet and in caucus.

Roger Douglas didn’t sell Telecom. The 4th Labour Government did. Roger Douglas was Minister of Police during the sale. He hadn’t been Minister of Finance for a year prior to the Telecom sale. Helen Clark, however, had been Deputy Prime Minister for a year prior to the Telecom sale. She voted for the sale in Cabinet and in caucus.


Roger Douglas didn’t sell Telecom. The 4th Labour Government did. Roger Douglas was Minister of Police during the sale. He hadn’t been Minister of Finance for a year prior to the Telecom sale. Helen Clark, however, had been Deputy Prime Minister for a year prior to the Telecom sale. She voted for the sale in Cabinet and in caucus.

Roger Douglas didn’t sell Telecom. The 4th Labour Government did. Roger Douglas was Minister of Police during the sale. He hadn’t been Minister of Finance for a year prior to the Telecom sale. Helen Clark, however, had been Deputy Prime Minister for a year prior to the Telecom sale. She voted for the sale in Cabinet and in caucus.

Roger Douglas didn’t sell Telecom. The 4th Labour Government did. Roger Douglas was Minister of Police during the sale. He hadn’t been Minister of Finance for a year prior to the Telecom sale. Helen Clark, however, had been Deputy Prime Minister for a year prior to the Telecom sale. She voted for the sale in Cabinet and in caucus.

Roger Douglas didn’t sell Telecom. The 4th Labour Government did. Roger Douglas was Minister of Police during the sale. He hadn’t been Minister of Finance for a year prior to the Telecom sale. Helen Clark, however, had been Deputy Prime Minister for a year prior to the Telecom sale. She voted for the sale in Cabinet and in caucus.

Roger Douglas didn’t sell Telecom. The 4th Labour Government did. Roger Douglas was Minister of Police during the sale. He hadn’t been Minister of Finance for a year prior to the Telecom sale. Helen Clark, however, had been Deputy Prime Minister for a year prior to the Telecom sale. She voted for the sale in Cabinet and in caucus.

Roger Douglas didn’t sell Telecom. The 4th Labour Government did. Roger Douglas was Minister of Police during the sale. He hadn’t been Minister of Finance for a year prior to the Telecom sale. Helen Clark, however, had been Deputy Prime Minister for a year prior to the Telecom sale. She voted for the sale in Cabinet and in caucus.

Roger Douglas didn’t sell Telecom. The 4th Labour Government did. Roger Douglas was Minister of Police during the sale. He hadn’t been Minister of Finance for a year prior to the Telecom sale. Helen Clark, however, had been Deputy Prime Minister for a year prior to the Telecom sale. She voted for the sale in Cabinet and in caucus.

Roger Douglas didn’t sell Telecom. The 4th Labour Government did. Roger Douglas was Minister of Police during the sale. He hadn’t been Minister of Finance for a year prior to the Telecom sale. Helen Clark, however, had been Deputy Prime Minister for a year prior to the Telecom sale. She voted for the sale in Cabinet and in caucus.

Roger Douglas didn’t sell Telecom. The 4th Labour Government did. Roger Douglas was Minister of Police during the sale. He hadn’t been Minister of Finance for a year prior to the Telecom sale. Helen Clark, however, had been Deputy Prime Minister for a year prior to the Telecom sale. She voted for the sale in Cabinet and in caucus.


Roger Douglas didn’t sell Telecom. The 4th Labour Government did. Roger Douglas was Minister of Police during the sale. He hadn’t been Minister of Finance for a year prior to the Telecom sale. Helen Clark, however, had been Deputy Prime Minister for a year prior to the Telecom sale. She voted for the sale in Cabinet and in caucus.

Roger Douglas didn’t sell Telecom. The 4th Labour Government did. Roger Douglas was Minister of Police during the sale. He hadn’t been Minister of Finance for a year prior to the Telecom sale. Helen Clark, however, had been Deputy Prime Minister for a year prior to the Telecom sale. She voted for the sale in Cabinet and in caucus.

16 comments:

mojo said...

Gosh, Gooner ... it doesn't matter if you be right or wrong ... but the adage that Helen certainly followed unfalteringly was, 'if you say it often enough, it will become seen as reality.'

Obviously this has had a considerable impact on you ...

Oh, & if you are trying to raise Roger's colours, the repetition thing will be necessary. It is really one of the simpler ways of trying to rewrite history.

Andrei said...

"Why do I bother"

I don't!

Anonymous said...

Roger Douglas DID SELL Telecom! As part of the 4th Labour govt, and as an MP, and as the leading guru of the Rogergnomes, which included that nice man with an auctioneer's gavel, Dick Prebble.

And Finance Minister when Telecom was sold was David Caygill - a Douglas acolyte. Why don't you ask Ian Wishart about some of Douglas, Prebble, and Labour's dodgy dealings. I believe he wrote a book about them. Titled 'Daylight Robbery' wasn't it?

It is true that Clark sold Telecom too - she should not be allowed to rewrite history. But then nor should you rewrite Douglas into the saint who never sold the family silver...

Heine said...

Family silver Anon??? You have got to be taking the piss right?

Telecom was a bloated waste of money which no Government of the day could have funded adequately to bring it up to the high standards it is today.

Anonymous said...

It may have been sold by the NZ govt in 1989 but the Govt from 1990 to 1999 ie National helped ensure it was a monopoly with R Dean being used to keep that position and deny NZder's an opportunity to benefit from that sale

Anonymous said...

the high standards it is today As a technician working on the telecom network, your declaration about the high standards are such an incredible joke I have to recover from laughing before posting.

But seriously, the only good thing on the network has been the cabinetisation and that was a reaction to being poked with a stick by the government - they were otherwise happy to let you all suffer with 128k broadband...

Anonymous said...

Mallard is just a C**t

Inventory2 said...

Let's not forget also that Labour's current leadership duo were both members of the Lange/Palmer/Moore government. Indeed, both Phil Goff and Annette King (and Trevor Mallard for that matter) will soon be able to add to their respective resumes that they served as MP's over FOUR decades - the 1980's, the 1990's, the 2000's and the 2010's.

They are indeed the fresh face of the parliamentary Labour Party!

pdm said...

If I remember correctly neither Sir Roger Douglas or Labour sold Telecom. What they - including Clark and Cullen sold were two of the three components of the old Post Office;

POSB - bought by the ANZ bank.
Telephone Service - from which emerged the new service - Telecom.

The Postal Service was retained so Jim Anderton would have a toy to play with when he eventually became a Cabinet Minister.

The Veteran said...

Labour has a penchant for rewriting history that makes David Irving look like a saint.

deitynigel6888 said...

You gotta keep this up boys. Most of the people Labour are trying to preach to weren't alive (or at least sentient) in 1989. This is why they have to keep preaching the big lie. Anonymous (3rd commentator) is case in point. Facts dont matter, emotions do to these people. "Everyone" knows that the evil roger douglas kidnapped the entire labour cabinet and forced them to his evil will.

Just as everyone knows that telecom was a jewel in the crown of government that got raped by evil business when it was sold off.

The incovenient truth that the post office telecommunications arm was a shambolic loss making embarassment, must never be revealed. While it may be true that Dr Death worked hard to maintain the monopoly, the reason he could is that frankly anything was miles better than the post office had delivered.

But never let the facts get in the way of socialist propaganda. Wonder how Helen, Phil and Annette feel, knowing that they were innocent victims manipulated by the evil Roger?

John Q Public said...

Blah blah. We seem to forget how shit house it used to be. Pre-corporatisiation and sale;

-It used to take months to get a phone line installed even if you lived in Auckland. You probably then went months before you got a bill, which was huge.
-Kids TV shows (like 3:45 Live)had to restrict phone-in comps to people in particular small geo areas so they didn't overload Airedale.
-it cost $10 a minute to call anywhere further than Australia, that's when you could get through (prior to that for years you had to pre-book toll calls!)
-you could only rent the PBX they said you could have (Phillips NZ famously used a shitty old '70's Alcatel until the early 90's, they couldn't even use their own kit) and it was at extortionate prices.

-Telecom is now NZ's biggest tax payer.

Sure it got sold, but you can buy it back if you want, just call your broker. You'll get an actual divie then, not a mythical one that's pissed away on bludgers.

Lindsay said...

At Red Alert I was recently accused (by someone called Millsy) of advocating ON RECORD, big cuts to wages. When I asked where, he said I implied it. When I asked where, no answer was forthcoming. I note his untrue comment has not been deleted.

Lindsay said...

My point being that the banning only operates one way.

Anonymous said...

Millsy is a woman.

Anonymous said...

I think