Sunday, December 27, 2009

Police shooting

I've noticed that no one in the blogosphere has commented on the shooting of Constable Snow. I never expected Idiot/Savant to offer condolences, nor Bomber for that matter. But I thought uber-blogger, Farrar, might put something up. Alas, it appears not.

It's funny that when a cop is shot as a result of protecting the very freedoms that the likes of Idiot/Savant, Bomber (and others) take for granted, their silence is deafening.

Yet when a cop is placed in a similarly unenviable position of protecting those same freedoms, but forced to use a firearm in a split second decision, their squawking can be heard from Cape Reinga to the Bluff. Squawking which, at the time, I said was unjustified and would be proven wrong. I was right.

Constable Snow, thank you for patrolling South Auckland at 4am in the morning. Thank you for getting out of your car to investigate suspicious behaviour. You didn't know what was about to occur, yet in the dark, armed only with your notebook and a pen, you bravely did what 99% of New Zealanders wouldn't dare do.

May you recover fully and return to frontline policing. And let's hope your injuries aren't so bad they prevent that.

22 comments:

Anonymous said...

Many youngsters - my son included - are at risk of being killed on construction sites every day.

Cops are not so special. I remember you from my company's Sharetrader site Gooner. You are a real righty with no compassion for working class folk.

A cop's life is not worth more than any other.

Dave said...

The cynical side of me see it this way...The left would prefer a cop to shoot someone dead so they can shit on the cops.... the right would prefer a dead cop so they can talk up crime and punishment.

anon - no one deserves to be killed on the job, many companies take work place safety very seriously. Police (or anyone for that matter) being shot while they are going about their job IS very serious.

Lou Taylor said...

Anon
Come back with a real name if you want to talk shit

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Anon,very few construction workers have ever been shot while at work.

Gooner said...

Anon, no idea what you are talking about with Sharetrader. Must be someone else.

I am working class and so is my family and my wife's family. The key is that I have worked since I was 18 and have never received a benefit. That is the real working class. The working class you talk of are now ensconsed in working for families & other welfare packages. They are not the working class any longer.

What Lou and Adolf said.

Oswald Bastable said...

Construction workers don't get killed protecting the public.

THAT is the difference.

But to the main subject- how many more times before the politicians give the police the tools they need to do the job.

Unarmed police sounds nice politically, but politicians ain't out there in indian country!

kehua said...

Pussyfooting around is going to see more Cops die. The problem that we have is the Dept hasn`t got the balls or the budget to train` `non-guncultured` staff.The reality of NZ today is we have AOS who have never killed so much as a stray dog or cat let alone the fear rush of poking a hole in someones belly.

Anonymous said...

You are a real righty with no compassion for working class folk.

Hell yeah and proud of it too you lefty SCUM!

A cop's life is not worth more than any other.


Every cop's life is worth far far more than any criminal's, any beneficiaries', any civil servant's, any lefty's, any unionists. That's just common sense.
And it's part of NZ's law today!


But to the main subject- how many more times before the politicians give the police the tools they need to do the job.


The sooner cops are allowed to be properly armed (something like the MP5) the better. Then they need not just the guns but the law to be on their side. It must be clear that when the cops take out a crim, a bennie, a bludger, a protestor, a lefty, a unionist, or whatever - there should be no comeback whatsoever to the cop!

We'll know the balance is right when the lefties complain about police brutality weekly, as the cops routinely take out crims and gangsters - hell, saves us the cost of the fucking trials and jail time!

Even better when the cops then smash the lefty protestors - like the wimps outside the ACT meeting in Wellington - then catch them in crossfire and wipe them all out.

NZ doesn't need any criminals
NZ doesn't need any gangsters
NZ doesn't need any beneficiaries or WFFers
NZ doesn't need any lefties or unionists or protesters

Arm the police and then set them to do the job

The Veteran said...

Anon ... sad post.

Psycho Milt said...

That's just Sinner, pretending that right-wingers are fascists again. He craps on a lot of posts here.

Gooner: a lot of lefties have a very cowardly attitude to the Police - wouldn't want to have to take on those tasks themselves, but feel free to second-guess the decision-making of the people who do, in the most pedantic way. They also belittle the danger that cops are in when they go wandering up to something suspicious in the middle of the night - I recall on a thread about pay equity over at Kiwipolitico that it was claimed nurses are in as much danger as cops because they have to deal with drunks in the ED.

Redbaiter said...

Jezuz Gooner- not the usual touchy feely Progressive crap. Great post. Are you at last growing a pair??

Milt why don't you fuck off and start your own blog rather than foul No Minister with your painful perverted crap and your stringent and manic censorship of posts?

Barnsley Bill said...

I share your sense of shock about this cop getting shot and I hope he recovers quickly and can get back to work.
However, this does not lead to me wanting the cops armed to the teeth.
I would rather see a seperate cadre within the police undergo proper training to be on standby for when armed response is needed. Oh, hang on a minute we already have that!
Giving some of the lumpen clowns up here guns would make conducting a law abiding drive to the shops even more fraught with terror than it already is.
The anonytard may have been popping at me Gooner. I spent a year or so trying to convince morons that Plus SMS was a massive scam and they had all shit their cash down the back of their pants. sadly, being proved correct only made them a bit more ranty towards me.
Back to the armed cop situation. If we do see the traffic jackals split off from proppa coppas then I would be a bit more comfortable about arming a few more.

Anonymous said...

I'll bite - chomp! There is a fundamental distinction between civilian shooting cop and cop shooting civilian, which seems to elude right-whingers.

Civilian shoots cop - almost always automatically a crime. Establish that it was citizen A who shot cop B, and the burden of proof then lies with citizen A to prove they had good cause. So these cases attract little adverse comments - noone tends to claim the Aramoana shooter had a right to kill cops or others.

But....

Cop shoots civilian - depends far more on circumstances, BECAUSE cops have numbers, greater legal powers, and weapons already. So the cop has to justify that the shooting was justified. ie. same as first case - shooter has to justify shooting - but the burden of proof skews as the cop has far greater power.

All totally irrelevant of course, as the father of shot cop Const. Snow has already made the construction worker risk comparison!

And Rant O'Connor of the police union has admitted (National Radio Jim Mora interview) the cops had no warning, so it would have made NO DIFFERENCE to Const. Snow being shot if the cops had been armed.

There is an argument that armed cops could have blazed away into the night back at the unseen gunman, but conventional policing caught him anyway, so it wasn't needed.

Oh, and surely the video of Wellington cops blazing away down a public street with people in it at a rabid dog a year back (and missing all times) should convince you of the nuttiness of arming cops?

You want bravery? Try the Manukau mums who got their car & house rammed & totalled by gangstas in a ute. The mums have been cleaning up their neighbourhood of drunk gangstas, making it safe for the kids. Cop response - refuse to attend. But the mums aren't stopping - that's brave. No guns required.

Anonymous said...


I'll bite - chomp! There is a fundamental distinction between civilian shooting cop and cop shooting civilian, which seems to elude right-whingers.


Hell yeah. Civilian shooting cop: criminal offense worthy of the death penalty, ideally immediately dished out by other cops! With any luck they'll take his gang buddies or his mates or his family out too.

Cop shooting "civilian": one of the risks of the job.
Perhaps counselling should be provided in these trendy times. Nothing much to write home about. And if that so-called "civilian" is a crim, bennie, a WFFer, a bludger, a greenie, a unionist etc - then a clear service to NZ

It really is that simple - and yes Right-wingers sure do know the difference.

Barnsley Bill said...

speaking for this right-whinger to our anonymous mate with the over-bite.

I concur with everything in your comment.
That is all.

Psycho Milt said...

There is an argument that armed cops could have blazed away into the night back at the unseen gunman, but conventional policing caught him anyway, so it wasn't needed.

No, there is an argument that armed cops would have gone to Snow's aid immediately, rather than first staying back because they had no means of defending themselves against a gunman, then finally having to go in knowing they could get the same treatment Snow got, in order to keep him from bleeding to death. Fucking good argument if you ask me.

Oswald Bastable said...

" If we do see the traffic jackals split off from proppa coppas then I would be a bit more comfortable about arming a few more."

BB- That would help the police public relations in so many ways!

Anonymous said...

NZ's population is 4 Million.

The UK's population is 61 Million

in both NZ and the UK, 6 cops have been shot and killed since 1990

NZ's police death rate is up there with Northern Ireland during the worst of the troubles. That is a fact.

The RUC dealt with this by running a successful shoot to kill policy

The NZ police needs to do the same - simply for their own protection.

Every cop (police or traffic or whoever) needs to be armed, and ready and willing to shoot to kill whenever the opportunity presents itself.

Gooner said...

FWIW, I don't want blanket arming of the cops either. It is unnecessary.

Anon @ 1:15 - sure there is a fundamental distinction. I'd agree.

But this post is simply about pointing out that I'm both glad and grateful these guys and gals are patrolling South Auckland at 4am, risking getting shot, just so we can sleep and have our so-called "freedoms".

We take them for granted too much I think.

Gooner said...

Oh I see Sinner has returned.

Barnsley Bill said...

"shoot to kill whenever the opportunity presents itself. "

That comment makes me want to become a cop in the hope that given the OPPORTUNITY I could shoot you in the head.
It is truly a Xmas miracle that somebody as impaired as you has managed to type a comment.

amber said...

The parents of this person have not behaved like they should have they are teaching there children bad habits