Wednesday, August 26, 2009

Very disappointed in John Key

As a National voter, I'm very disappointed in John Key's decision to

1. Not allow a conscience vote for John Boscawen's bill to legalise light smacking for the purposes of child correction.
2. indicate National will vote against something that National voters and many centrist voters want (and probably left wing voters too, judging by the recent referendum).

It is one thing to be centrist in an appeal to middle NZ, and another thing to be centrist in an appeal to the Greens and left-liberal Labour voters. One works electorally (say for promises on Superannuation or sale of SOEs), while the other is a certain recipe for angering your own supporters.

No doubt social conservatives like Judith Collins, Bill English and Simon Power will be watching Mr Key's handling of this issue quite closely. Families don't like having nanny state stickybeak into how they raise their children - especially when most parents do a damn fine job.

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

John Key got it right, and he has gone up dramatically in my estimation.

Maybe he learnt from the Exclusive Brethren affair (affray?) to steer clear of the christian fundamentalists.

They drove this issue, using the same tactics (and cash) that has won them enormous power in the US.

But as JK knows very well, they have nowhere else to go in NZ these days, but to National. Hopefully, steady hands there will ensure they stay marginalized.

KG said...

No wonder you comment as 'Anonymous' anon....no sensible person would put his/her name to that drivel.
Christian fundamentalists drove this issue? You're effing insane. Ordinary, caring parents 'drove' this issue, as Key will learn to his cost.

mawm said...

Anon - I'm no Christian fundamentalist and I think he has got it wrong, very wrong.

I'm beginning to think he is the reincarnation of helen clark. FFS get out of our lives.

Gooner said...

Yeah well let's see how many votes this loses National in 2011. My experience is that those blowhards who go on about not voting National in 2011 probably will because by then there will be bigger issues than this. This is a principled issue important to many people, but not so many to influence an electorate. Anyway, if he loses votes on it they go to ACT automatically and is ACT going to support Labour with Goff in charge and Clark texting policy from New York? Very, very, very unlikely. Net loss to Key: nil. He's not a former trader for nothing.

KG said...

I'd guess that a whole lot of votes won't go to ACT 'automatically' at all. Some people simply won't vote and others will go to the Libz. Or even Labour if they get their shit together by then. Not all voters are passionate Nats or invariable Labour supporters after all.
Whether or not that's a sensible reaction doesn't matter--a lot of people feel let down and angry over this.
The net loss to Key may be nil, as you say Gooner but the loss of confidence in the political system of NZ is very real.

Gooner said...

I agree with your last point KG but remember, Key is a politician now and the PM to boot. He wants to govern. He doesn't care about confidence in the political system just votes. Strange things happen to people when they go to Wellington.

FAIRFACTS MEDIA said...

Where is Winston on this.
Might this give him a chance to resurrect his dead party?

Anonymous said...

No, FM - Winston will wait for the Foreshore and Seabed to roll around. THEN we will see some action! But when the dust clears, JK will roll the Maori Party on it, just as decisively as with the Super City seats. Again, he will win hands down, leaving a fractured opposition gobsmacked. National will govern alone after 2011.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

I was going to do a piece on this but it would only restate opinions already advanced here. I was surprised and disappointed by his decision. However, he is closer to the action that I am, looking in from the outside.

I'm interested to see John Armstrong puts John Key's decision down to a perception that by supporting J B's bill he might have alienated the all important wimmin's vote. I hadn't considered that.

Gooner is right. There's a long way to go to 2011 and much will change by then.

Barry said...

My faith in Key has seriously dropped.

He says "Up Yours" to more people than those who voted him into power. Im also surprised that he hasnt learned from the damage this issue did to Labour.

Im going to do the democratic thing. Im not going to keep wailing - Im going to wait until about Nov 2011 and excercise my vote - and at the moment it will be against Key (who got my party vote in 2008)

Anonymous said...

Barry, me too. My vote for Key has gone forever over this issue, I will not forget. What does it take to get a PM who ******* listens for ********'s sake? Dictorship, anyone?

Anonymous said...

The net loss to Key may be nil, as you say Gooner but the loss of confidence in the political system of NZ is very real
And this is a good thing to come out of this mess.
Key has promised a referendum on MMP: perhaps we can finally get to a political system designed not to represent non-taxpaying bludgers and civil servants, but designed to ensure the best economic performance for NZ

9 Million on a referendum is wasted - but the results of 2008 show that the 50 Million on the election was wasted too!


Wanky lefty "liberals" won't like the FACT the countries like Hong Kong, China, Singapore, Korea and Taiwan have much much greater growth than NZ! And they certainly don't fuck about with elections or referenda (and guess what, it's legal to smack your kids in all those places!).


What's more important: that losing beneficiaries get to vote once every three years, or that NZ's economic performance improves to the point where it can continue as an independent country?

Anonymous said...

Again, he will win hands down, leaving a fractured opposition gobsmacked. National will govern alone after 2011.


Nope. He'll be in coalition with ACT.


However, he is closer to the action that I am, looking in from the outside.

Crap. Both English and Key effectively live in Wellington Central and have for years the most fucking lefty hole in the country.

I'm interested to see John Armstrong puts John Key's decision down to a perception that by supporting J B's bill he might have alienated the all important wimmin's vote.

Because the 87% didn't include WOMEN? That's a completely stupid suggestion. Actually Women are more likely to vote NO - because they have to look after the fucking whinging kids we're all supposed to love so much

Anonymous said...

I grew up with parents with a right to smack.
Put up with it until the time came when i was no longer the smallest or weakest.

At that stage the tables soon turned and there came a day when i said,anymore of that you both best be prepared to accept whats likely coming back in return.

The violence thankfully ended right there and then at that very moment.

I had my own kids later and decided to try to not follow in my parents violent footsteps.And found both my children behaved well enough without need of use of any physical dominance.
And though we might sometimes have very heated debates never does any of us ever feel need to lower ourselves to react with physical force.

Neither children (now adults)have even been in trouble with the law or lack extremely in self control.Neither are parent or women bashers,and though both black belts in martial arts never seem to feel a need to use it for abuse.Both are widely well respected around town etc.

I know very well i have inherited some bad traits from my parents.I still need to be very careful to try to not ever allow my youthful learned violent side to emerge.

Personally im very happy my kids are a little different.

What can i say except as usual there is often two sides to every argument.