Thursday, July 23, 2009

Let's all laugh at the retard

A while back I wrote a sneering post about Clayton Weatherston, speculating that his monstrous ego would lead him to testify, despite his lawyer having to know that it would do him far more harm than good. Naturally, his monstrous ego won out, he did testify and he provided a spectacle for days on end that has made him infamous.

It left me embarrassed. I'd been sneering at a guy who was plainly, in light of his testimony, seriously mentally ill. That's just wrong. All I can say in my defence is that at the time, I thought he was simply an arrogant asshole, not criminally insane.

Two psychiatrists got up in court and gave a contrary view - according to them, he's not insane, merely has one or two personality disorders, like many other of our prison inmates. Fuck that - the guy obviously thinks he was provoked outrageously by her perfectly ordinary behaviour and can't understand why people aren't feeling sympathy for his plainly justified response. I'm sorry, but that's a nutbar in my book. Yes he needs to be locked up some place where he can't be "provoked" by others' banal everyday activities, but prison isn't the place.

I see tonight on Stuff that "sources" are reporting there's a bounty on Weatherston's head in Chch men's prison. Well, duh - since when have crims felt the slightest compunction about beating up on the mentally ill? Most of the thicko munters locked up in there would love to get their hands on someone like Weatherston, so they can tell themselves they're doing the right thing while enjoying taking out their violent frustrations on someone else. Fuck them and their self-inflicted frustrations - I hope Corrections keeps him away from them.

11 comments:

Anonymous said...

I'm not so sure he is mentally ill. I think his enormous ego, high self-opinion, and the thought placed in his mind that provocation might be a go-er as a defence all contributed to his haughty approach. If anything, his world view is skewed. But I don't think he's fucked in the head. Good post tho.

WAKE UP said...

It's really simple: he's both guilty AND insane (as opposed to guilty BUT insane).

Anonymous said...

w00tf is offering the price?
Stupid crap imo.
You're right ,stick him in a loony bin for the rest of his life ,keep him sedated ,away from other inmates and leave him with enough shit to top himself so he wont have to live with his thoughts if he ever gets lucid.
Why stick him where other vermin can get their jollies brutalizing him.

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Anonymous said...

Weatherston is narcissistic and has ZERO self-awareness.

He is the 1% of the general population that isn't burdened by conscience.

Psychopaths have a profound lack of empathy.

They use other people callously and remorselessly for their own ends.

They seduce victims with a hypnotic charm that masks their true nature as pathological liars, master con artists, and heartless manipulators.

Easily bored, they crave constant stimulation, so they seek thrills from real-life "games" they can win -- and take pleasure from their power over other people.

Unfortunately in many workplaces we have CEO's who are psychopaths and are "Work Place Bullies."

These CEO's destroy not only companies but wreck havoc on the lives of their targets, which can take years to recover from. Some never do.

I have seen this type of destruction first hand in a district council. Weatherston portrays the same characteristics of that CEO.

Andrei said...

Whether or not he is mentally ill is definitional surely.

And regardless of whether or not he is mentally ill he will have to be locked up.

As for him being incarcerated in prison - where else?

Prisons are not very nice places - they are filled up with unpleasant people, whose unpleasantness could be defined as "mental illness" if you so choose but that is how we dilute the unpleasnatness in out communities, I guess, by concerntrating it in prisons.

As for the "price on Weatherston's head". According to your link the current rate is $55,000 but it could "rise to six figures".

Hurrumph - bravado. Who is going to put up that sort of money - huh? Do the people talking the talk have that sort of money or are they of the type to renege on the offer after the deed is done?

Not that Weatherston is not at risk from bashings or worse - he is after all now surrounded by his peers the pathologically unpleasant who no doubt will take pleasure from making his life miserable.

All of which is singularly depressing if you think about it

Psycho Milt said...

Whether or not he is mentally ill is definitional surely.

Absolutely, and two experts testified that according to official definitions, he isn't. My personal opinion is that if that's the case, our definitions want looking at.

Having seen some of his testimony on TV, I personally think Weatherston is not right in the head. When you look at him testifying, and bear in mind: that his defence lawyer has been carefully making a case based on his fragile personality not being able to cope with the difficulties of his relationship with Elliot; that his lawyer will have made that clear to him and coached him on it; and that he is a very intelligent man; well, look at him. He can't stick with the script to save himself - in his own mind he's still a top bloke and surely others will see that and recognise that and sympathise with the terrible provocation he suffered. Intelligent, educated, perceptive, completely blows his own lawyer's case out of the water and makes his murder conviction a dead cert. Probably still thinks it was a terrible miscarriage of justice.

That's not your regular crim there. Mostly they seem to either not give a shit or be trying to game the system for all they're worth. Weatherston by contrast was just completely uncomprehending. He's in the wrong place.

Andrei said...

That's not your regular crim there.

True enough he is an upper middle class boy with a PHD


Mostly they seem to either not give a shit or be trying to game the system for all they're worth. An over generalization PM. I am sure that our prisons are full of people who feel they have been hard done by the justice system, try to self-justify their actions, and believe the rules that apply to ordinary mortals do not apply to themselves.

He's in the wrong place.

No he is in the right place - prison.

Being an educated son of privilege does not exempt him from the consequences of his actions.

That being said there is a real uglyness on display with joy over what trials he might suffer in prison which utterly sickens me.

Psycho Milt said...

That being said there is a real uglyness on display with joy over what trials he might suffer in prison which utterly sickens me.

Well, we're certainly agreed on that. I'm tempted to leave it there in rosy shades of agreement but the whole point of blogging is to discuss things, so will resist the temptation. On to the point of disagreement:

True enough he is an upper middle class boy with a PHD

That implies I'm letting Weatherston off lightly in the court of my opinion because he's more like me than most other crims (nb: for the sake of clarity, I do not have a PhD). I think my earlier posts on him indicate that if anything, that would make me more likely to go harder on him as I'm that much more capable of imagining myself in his place and noticing that I wouldn't have done that even under a shitload more provocation than he experienced (which, as far as the evidence presented in court goes, was near enough none).

I am sure that our prisons are full of people who feel they have been hard done by the justice system, try to self-justify their actions, and believe the rules that apply to ordinary mortals do not apply to themselves.

And this is exactly how I was picturing Weatherston when I wrote my original post about him. What I'm saying is that his evidence since that post displayed someone who is not like that, but genuinely delusional.

No he is in the right place - prison.

Being an educated son of privilege does not exempt him from the consequences of his actions.


We're never going to agree on that. I don't think the criminally insane should just be dumped in prison to be abused or killed by the regular criminals, as they certainly will be - Corrections might as well hang a sign on prisoners like these saying "gas the gimps." I guess you probably agree with me on that and just don't agree that Weatherston is insane.

WAKE UP said...

What continues to amaze me is how some of the least deserving arseholes seem to have no problem getting the top lawyers. I'll bet I couldn't get Ablett-Kerr if my life depended on it.

WAKE UP said...

Oh, and while I'm here...and harking back to my earlier comment on the NZ public's taste for schadenfreude (and worse) - I'm sick to death of hearing about how some crim or other is going to be dealt to in prison by other criminal arseholes, as if this was somehow a Good Thing. There are reasons why those others are in prison too.