Thursday, June 25, 2009

The drug driving law

From Scoop:
People who drive when their judgement and reactions are impaired by drugs are a danger to themselves...,” Mr Joyce said.
From John Stuart Mill's harm principle:
"...the sole end for which mankind are warranted, individually or collectively, in interfering with the liberty of action of any of their number, is self-protection. That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not sufficient warrant...[i]n the part which merely concerns himself, his independence is, of right, absolute. Over himself, over his own body and mind, the individual is sovereign."


Oswald Bastable said...

Bugger themselves.

It's the other party that they smash into that need protecting!

Having been there...

WAKE UP said...

Yeah, Os - in fact, sometimes a pre-emptive strike is needed, when you can see the selfish, thoughtless drunk/stoned bastards coming.

The Prophet said...

Interesting Oswald and Wake up - Have you got any credible drug driving statistics that DON'T include alcohol?

I tried to find some and apart from a few hysterical MADD type organisations there doesn't seem to be any.

I'm yet to be convinced that drug driving on its own is a major cause to any part of the road toll.

I'm not quite sure why this particular puppy raises its head again. There seems to be an attempt to sell it to the public every year now.

More invasion of rights for something that doesn't seem to be proven.


Oswald Bastable said...

"I'm yet to be convinced that drug driving on its own is a major cause to any part of the road toll."

What colour is the sky on YOUR planet?

Driving with your brains at half-mast is OK? I think not!

KG said...

"..Have you got any credible drug driving statistics that DON'T include alcohol?"
That'd be the statistics they arrive at by testing drivers involved in accidents for substances other than alcohol?
Oh, hang on...they aren't tested.
So where the fuck would these "credible statistics" come from Prophet?

The Prophet said...

Wait - so there's no stats and my planet has different colored sky.

Who would of guessed?

So really you guys are just talking crap then?

How much money are we going to waste on this law with nothing to back up the premise behind it?

Every time I see arguments for this law they couch it, as wake up did, 'drunk/stoned'.

This makes me very suspicious of whats actually going on here.

Oswald Bastable said...

So driving in an altered state is not a problem?

WAKE UP said...

PROPHET, I know some junkies who are a danger to themselves and the public in a WALKING state, let alone driving. Rationalise addiction any way you like, but please wear a sign to let us know you're coming.

Anonymous said...

Supposedly people habituated on opiates are not a danger to the public after consuming enough methadone to kill the non habituated person two to five times over. How come I can't use the same logic with my habituation to alcohol.

WAKE UP said...

Because, Anonymous, when it comes to addiction, there is no logic, only rationalising, and alcohol is a drug too.

Psycho Milt said...

Oswald's first comment - my sentiments exactly. Wtf is Joyce thinking? That he may pick up support from Labour Party wowsers?