Friday, January 16, 2009

"This is going to burn down the entire warehouse … thousands and thousands of tonnes of food, medical supplies and other emergency assistance is there

So, do you think lighting up the UN Refugee Agency's warehouses with white phosphorus shells will be the straw that breaks the international community's back? I suspect it might be. Olmert's saying the IDF was fired on from the building, but that turned out to be IDF bullshit in the case of the school that was hit so you can figure how much cred they've got with this one. It looks like a deliberate torching of the warehouses to increase Palestinian civilian suffering - the only real question is whether it was individuals behind it, or policy. If I was Olmert, Barak or Livni I'd be starting an intensive arse-covering programme right about now.

23 comments:

Anonymous said...

Right , so the Israelis give truckloads (literally) of aid and then blow it up....
Still, the UN IS the enemy! So fair enough.
Am surprised you havent seen the IDF videos of the "school" on you tube. Looks like they were firing rockets to me.

Murray said...

I suspect that you and your socialist mates who say not a word while a terrorist states targest children may have lost touch with reality.

When the IDF shoots back at Hamas military assets hiding next to civilian and UN locations they're the ones responsible for the civilian casualties.

That is international humanitarian law that you myopic bastards like to keep mentioning but always fail to quote.

The worold is sick to bloody death of this nothing the terrorists do is wrong and everything Israel does is evil. Israel exists and has the right to defend itself. The only right you guys seem to stand for is the right for Palestinians to attack and murder Israeli civilians with impunity.

Take a look around, outside your tight lipped latee slurping meeting we're all for Israel kicking the crap out of some very bad people.

You want any cridibility you better proove to us that you were in a coma while the last 6,000 rockets were fired at Israeli schools hospitals and kindergartens. Till then your opinion is just more plain anti-semitic bullshit.

Anonymous said...

more anti-semitic crap.

The palestinians probably torched their own warehouse.

Anyway - which part of: If ever man woman and child in Gaza was not dedicated to genocide this would not have happened!

Democractic support for the war in Israel remains very strong indeed. The will continue fighting until ever active terrorist is dead, and their supporters are cowed into submission

Anonymous said...

You can nearly hear the "yuk,yuk, yuk...", fell the joy when PM saw this bit of news.

You have to be the worst type of lefty around. An arsehole that takes pleasure in others deaths and fear when it suits your cause, yet will scream to high heaven when some-ones "human rights" (read the right to use human shields) are questioned.

I nearly wrote something the other day when you piously from on high:
http://nominister.blogspot.com/2009/01/suspicious-minds.html
Too lazy to read the whole thing you put the boot in.

Ah well just another nz blog to stop reading, because if there is one thng I cannot take, it is pumped up doo gooders who gets a hard on for others misery, just so they can feel better about their own pathetic little life.

You reek PM
Bok

Budgieboy said...

I wasn't aware that the 'school' that was hot was proved to be bullshit, I watched the video Anon mentioned above and looked pretty conclusive to me.

You have a link to something on that?

Budgieboy said...

GOOD post Murray!

Mr Dennis said...

PM, Israel is doing their best to supply food and other aid to the Palestinians. Hamas is getting in their way, even firing mortars at the aid workers and stealing trucks containing aid. Get your facts straight.
http://sjdennis.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/hamas-opposing-aid-in-gaza/

Psycho Milt said...

Budgieboy: Here's a link.

Mr Dennis: I wasn't aware high explosive and white phosphorus constituted "food and other aid."

Murray: I've answered your diatribe in previous posts.

Anonymous Fascist: as usual, your stuff is unintentionally funny. This time round, I love the way you follow "more anti-semitic crap" with "the Palestinians probably torched their own warehouse." There's only one bigot here, and it's you.

Bok: as it seems like the entire right-wing blogosphere is overjoyed that the Israelis are filling Palestinian hospitals with wounded children who can barely be treated because of the Israeli blocade, I'm not going to lose a whole lot of sleep over your sneering. If one of us needs to be ashamed of themselves, it ain't me.

Anonymous said...

Any lie will do for the anti Israel left. The IDF video of mortar and small arms fire coming from the UN school not enough for you PM? The secondary explosions from within following counter fire?

Just label us all fascists. Sneer and smear away

George

Psycho Milt said...

Now it's you guys who need to provide a link. The only footage I found on YouTube of mortars being fired from the school was from the idfnadesk and dated 29 October 2007. It also didn't show any Israeli strikes or explosions. If there is such a video, provide a link. Also, if there is such a video, the IDF may want to get its shit in order if one lot of spokesmen are telling Haaretz no fire came from the school and another lot are claiming the opposite.

scrubone said...

I've read the report you link to.

Figuring in the Hamas propensity for propaganda, my guess is that they're simply claiming that the shells were phosphorous so they don't have to bother fighting the fire.

That way, they can make two false claims instead of one.

Heck, they might even have fired on the thing themselves.

Clunking Fist said...

Murray says "I suspect that you and your socialist mates who say not a word while a terrorist states targest children may have lost touch with reality."

Actually, Psycho has had plenty to say about the behaviour of Hamas and other terrorists. He just has higher expectations when it comes to the fully functioning and rational state of Israel, rather the nutbar crowd who call themselves Hamas.

Personally, I would be doing just what Israel are doing, but there's nothing wrong with holding them to a higher standard than the nutbars.

Psycho Milt said...

Clunking Fist": exactly. I don't believe "not as bad as Hamas" is the kind of standard a Western govt should be aiming for.

Scrubone: given it's the UN, not Hamas, that's saying the Israelis shelled its warehouses with what appeared to be white phosphorus, I don't find your "Hamas propaganda" argument persuasive.

Re your "they might even have fired on the thing themselves" line, see my response above to Anonymous Fascist.

KG said...

Christ Almighty! How you can quote what the U.N. says with a straight face is something only a bloody psychiatrist could answer PM.
You repeatedly quote an organisation that's controlled by states with the worst human rights records on the planet, an organisation with a record of lies, corruption and support of terrorists.
You do that again and again, like some leftard mantra that has supposedly magical properties.
What Murray said. And you may have "answered his diatribe in previous posts" but there's no sign at all that the facts are getting in.
You don't provide some kind of notional "balance" to No Minister. What you provide is the voice of the dishonest, slippery left with a veneer of concern for the oppressed.
You and your kind are the enablers of terrorism, not the voices of humanity.</i

Psycho Milt said...

You and your kind are the enablers of terrorism, not the voices of humanity.

I (and my kind? Wtf?) am not the voice of anybody other than me.

...you may have "answered his diatribe in previous posts" but there's no sign at all that the facts are getting in.

Perhaps if you stopped idolising and idealising Israel and the IDF for 5 minutes, you'd have some vague hope of actually recognising facts relating to this issue. One of those facts is that the IDF is an army, made up of soldiers. Sending it to conduct offensive operations in a built-up area is inevitably going to result in a shitload of dead civilians and destroyed civilian infrastructure. The Israeli govt knows it, the IDF leadership knows it, and if you were honest you'd admit that you know it too. Pretending that the inevitable death and destruction is anti-semitic lies and propaganda just makes you look ridiculous.

Here's the thing: I find it entirely likely that stuff like the IDF shelling a house that it asked refugees to shelter in is explained by poor communication between units; that a mortar shell landing in a school is a shot misdirected in error; that destroying aid warehouses is down to some individual mofo rather than Israeli govt policy; because that's the kind of shit that happens when you order combined-arms full-scale offensive operations against an urban environment the residents can't escape from. You can rationalise it all you like, but the bottom line is that the Israeli govt and a bunch of IDF officers are responsible and accountable for that when it happens, because they ordered operations that inevitably result in such fuck-ups. Feel free to go on about what's wrong with the UN all you like, but it doesn't alter the facts of this matter one bit.

Baxter said...

Don't let any of them eat in your restaurant Psycho.

Anonymous said...

No one really gives a shit about RAGHEAD palistinians, one dead arab kid is like any other dead arab,kid recycled .ie BORING photoshop,whinning parents
so PISS OFF and attack a jewish cemetary

Psycho Milt said...

so PISS OFF and attack a jewish cemetary

I'm so ashamed. How your clear-eyed stand for human equality highlights my own ugly racial prejudice...

Anonymous said...

For you education. Some history.

It's our land...By: Benjamin Netanyahu

Apparently, Benjamin Netanyahu gave an interview and was asked about Israel 's occupation of Arab lands. His response was "It's our land".

The reporter (CNN or the like) was stunned - read below "It's our land..." It's important information since we don't get fair and accurate reporting from the media and facts tend to get lost in the jumble of daily events.


"Crash Course on the Arab Israeli Conflict.."
Here are overlooked facts in the current Middle East situation.

These were compiled by a Christian university professor:

BRIEF FACTS ON THE ISRAELI CONFLICT TODAY...

It takes just 1.5 minutes to read!!!!

It makes sense and it's not slanted. Jew and non-Jew -- it doesn't matter.

1. Nationhood and Jerusalem . Israel became a nation in 1312 BCE, Two thousand years before the rise of Islam.
2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.

3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 BCE, the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.

4. The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 CE lasted no more than 22 years.

5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem , they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.

6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.

7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.

8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem.

9. Arab and Jewish Refugees: in 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.

10 The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms.

11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be the same number.

12. Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own people's lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel , a country no larger than the state of New Jersey .

13. The Arab-Israeli Conflict: the Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won.

14. The PLO's Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel .. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land, autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them.

15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.

16. The UN Record on Israel and the Arabs: of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel .

17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel .

18. The UN was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians.

19. The UN was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives .

20. The UN was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like a policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall.

These are incredible times. We have to ask what our role should be. What will we tell our grandchildren about what we did when there was a turning point in Jewish destiny, an opportunity to make a difference?

Psycho Milt said...

Great - now I've got fundie Christian nutbars on the thread. Feel free to clarify exactly what this list of special pleading has to do with the IDF firing white phosphorus shells into a UNRWA aid warehouse, anonymous loony.

Oh - and the reason the reporter you mention was "stunned" is most likely that they hadn't imagined Netanyahu would cheerfully make it so clear for them exactly what a Nazi fuck he is.

Psycho Milt said...

Not to mention: the term "facts" should be used for things that are factual in nature, not simply things you read on the internet that you liked the sound of.

Anonymous said...

Read your link to the BBC article. It talks about a MORTOR attack. NOT a phosphorus shell. Sheesh, you just proved yourself wrong.

Psycho Milt said...

Do try and pay attention. Budgieboy requested a link to back up my claim the IDF admitted they fired a mortar shell into a UN school by accident rather than because they were fired on from the school. It was a different attack from the one that started the warehouse fire.