Tuesday, January 27, 2009

Couldn't we just run around squawking "The sky is falling!" instead?

Hospitals will take meat off menus in bid to cut carbon

Meat-free menus are to be promoted in hospitals as part of a strategy to cut global warming emissions across the National Health Service.

In other words, they're going to try and solve a problem that may or may not exist by trying to put sick people on a high-carb, low-fat diet - something guaranteed to have negative effects on their health. But that's not all:

Plans to reuse more equipment could raise concern about infection with superbugs such as MRSA.


If you're living in the UK, get private medical insurance now - when you need a hospital it'll be too late.

23 comments:

ZenTiger said...

In answer to your question (post title) - it would certainly be safer.

Paul said...

In what universe is a vegetarian diet less healthy than a meat-based one?

Heine said...

The fear of getting ill and needing hospital care scares me every day.

Psycho Milt said...

In what universe is a vegetarian diet less healthy than a meat-based one?

The real one, Paul. Cut out meat and dairy and your body is left with the much more difficult task of extracting proteins from various pulses. Works OK if you're fit, healthy and still have a good supply of various fatty acids in your body, but if you're trying to recover from some debilitating surgery or illness it's about the worst thing you could do.

Baxter said...

They might be able to save a forest if they use both sides of the toilet paper....PAUL...vitamin B12 not available in Vegetarian diet.

Clunking Fist said...

Fuck me, how much longer can these folk pay the violin whilst the water rises up past their navals.

Except it's not water, it's piss. And they're taking it.

Paul said...

I wonder how I keep going.

Harpoon said...

Righto. Let's immediately cancel all activities based on the truth of the theories of:
-- evolution
-- plate tectonics
-- cosmological big bang
-- human rights
-- monetarist economics

... all of which are theories in dispute.

Psycho Milt said...

Harpoon: if required to decide whether to risk a potential future threat of reduced climate stability or an actual and present threat to the health and well-being of patients through trying to persuade them to become vegetarians and treating them with recycled equipment, I'd hope medical professionals would risk the potential future threat. It's not a tough decision.

Lucy said...

The people who advocate this course of action are well..... quiet frankly MAD!

Anonymous said...

Crap, Harpoon

-- evolution
-- plate tectonics
-- cosmological big bang
-- human rights
-- monetarist economics

... all of which are theories in dispute.


Can be we fucking clear about this?
Evolution is NOT a theory in dispute. It is a fact.
Plate techtonics is NOT a theory in dispute. It is a fact.
Monetarist Economics is NOT a theory in dispute. It is a fact.


To claim any of these are up for dispute,
you may as well claim there is still dispute about the flat earth theory.

Cosmological big bang: yep. dispute there. Unfortunately it is highly unlikely that dispute - once it is resolved - will have any pragmatic bearing on our day-to-day activities.


Human rights I give you. But then,
human rights is simply NOT theory. And there sure as hell is a lot of dispute about that.

Clunking Fist said...

Harpoon, you're on to something there: let's withdraw all TAXPAYING FUNDING as a start...


hey, wv = "forsaw" fantastic!

KG said...

"all of which are theories in dispute."
None of which will kill us if we're wrong.

FAIRFACTS MEDIA said...

I recall staying in Green Lane Hospital in Auckland some years back , having my tonsils out.
the food there was atrocious.
Surely, if patients are to get better , they need proper nutrients.
And that includes meat.
I can see patients wanting to dial for a take away in future and buttons to the health service.

BTW This story is part of a post I have set down for Wednesday.
I do hope we are spared such stupidity in New zealand.
Are we?

DenMT said...

My thoughts - the article in question, which whilst being promulgated across the web as an attempt by the NHS to force vegetarianism on the infirm, in fact merely says meat-free meals will be 'promoted,' and patients will be 'offered' vegetarian meals.

As a vegetarian myself, the only time I have been in hospital overnight (being operated on after a rugby injury) I got vegetarian food.

You make an interesting leap of faith, PM, when you suggest that vegetarian meals are 'high-carb' and 'low-fat.' As you point out, not all amino acids required by the human body are available within a vegetarian diet without combining food groups. However, one imagines that the dietary requirements of patients would be adequately considered before they were offered 'alternative' menus.

And regardless of your own views on the validity of 'climate change' and the resultant necessity or lack thereof to do anything about it, I can assure you that cutting down on meat consumption is one of the best ways to free up arable land and curb carbon production.

Finally I'm keen to address your wildly bizarre assertion that a vegetarian diet is less healthy than a meat-based one. All 'diets' in and of themselves have the potential to be healthy or unhealthy, dependent on what the person in question shovels in to themselves. You appear to have vegetarianism confused with veganism, when you talk about cutting out dairy, but without going into dreary specifics (I can if you really, really want, but Google will do just as well) a rounded vegetarian diet is healthier and guarantees a longer life than a rounded omnivorous diet.

DenMT

Clunking Fist said...

"I can assure you that cutting down on meat consumption is one of the best ways to free up arable land and curb carbon production."

After acknowledging that psycho (and a growing percentage of the populice) doesn't buy global warming, you then make this point. No score.
For those of us who like a bit of meat (steady), we are often prepared to buy up to $25 kilo to the farmer (and others in the distribution channel) for the use of his land,

Psycho Milt said...

DenMT: you're right, I should have said vegan, not vegetarian. I was basing my comment about dairy on thie bit:

Among the most talked-about is likely to be the suggestion that hospitals could cut carbon emissions from food and drink by offering fewer meat and dairy products.

Which makes sense, because raising cows for dairy products isn't likely to be more efficient in terms of land use than raising them for meat. If the NHS goes down this path, it leads logically to promoting veganism to their patients and they should say so from the start.

Dave Mann said...

"... all of which are theories in dispute."

Crazy people often use this 'dispute' scenario in order to get leverage for their extremist and often frankly mad views.

This technique is at the same time rather clever, but also extremenly dishonest and it uses one of the principles of the Scientific Method itself, which holds that every known 'fact' can be disputed scientifically. This is a great strength of science, because it encourages a mindset of constant enquiry and progress. But, when this process is captured by flat earthers, biblical fundamentalists and gaia worshipers, you only need one or two inconclusive and often flawed 'studies' to generate a 'scientific' dispute.

This is the technique used so effectively by the anti-Darwinists in the USA and it has been so successful there that schools are required in some instances by law to include biblical fundamentalism in the very science curriculum whose facts and theories have thus far given the human race such amazing progress.

I think Harpoon was being satirical in his comment. I hope so... but anyway, the pseudo-scientific 'disputing' of science by people with crazy agendas is a very real danger that our civilisation faces. Look at how many inroads biblical and greenist fundamentalism have made so far and the threat becomes quite apparent.

KG said...

"I can assure you that cutting down on meat consumption is one of the best ways to free up arable land and curb carbon production."
Free up arable land for what, exactly?
It'd take one hell of an acreage to produce as much protein in vegetable form as beef animals produce. And greenies conveniently overlook the harvesting and packaging and distribution costs when making the comparison.
(Vast herds of vegetation-munching animals roamed the earth until fairly recently...perhaps they caused the Medieval Warm Period?)
Man is a carnivore--as his canine incisors demonstrate and meat is the fastest, most convenient way to refuel. :-)

Clunking Fist said...

"and meat is the fastest, most convenient way to refuel. :-)"

Eh? You forgot the most important point, KG: it just tastes so fucking, fantastically, yummy!

Anonymous said...

I can see patients wanting to dial for a take away in future and buttons to the health service.


In the future - well I'm just pleased for you that you haven't hard to darken NZ's health system.

There is absolutely no fucking coincidence that opposite every hospital in the country there is a strip of restaurants and takeway joints.

I do hope we are spared such stupidity in New zealand.
Are we?


Nope and we haven't been for years.

KG said...

So it does, PM--which reminds me, steak and grilled snags for dinner tonight!

KG said...

PM? I meant Clunking Fist.
Must need a protein hit......