Wednesday, November 12, 2008

Not To Be Missed

For one of the very best post-election commentaries, go and have a look at David Beatson's piece at 'Pundit.'

David Beatson


I particularly liked this bit:-

"Roger Douglas was prepared to see a government destroyed rather than compromise on a free-market ideology that no longer commanded support among his political colleagues. The world has changed since the 1980s – but Douglas has not. Outside or inside the tent, he will be seen as part of the old problem, not part of the fresh solution. Key shows wisdom in reaching out in a new direction - to the Maori Party."

16 comments:

alex Masterley said...

If you look at Keys origins you will see that he grew up in Aranui.
That was regarded in the '60s as a tough part of town as my mother, who taught at the Aranui primary school back then, will confirm.
I doubt that Mr Key will forget his roots.

Anonymous said...

Let's face facts. Roger is absolutely right when he said:

We have to make changes;

There is going to be a lot of hurt for a lot of people

and that's the fault of Labour and NZF politicians


This is simply the most important issue facing NZ.
There is no alternative.

And - can we please drop the pretentious crap that Labour didn't change any of Roger's policies

it's simply not true - and self-serving for the current crop of lefty commentators to say so.

NZ would be a vastly different place had Roger's policies been kept: flat 10% tax, capped at 10,000 per person payment; no welfare to speak of, certainly no dole & DPB; fully privitised health & education systems; no ACC; certainly no KiwiRail; KiwiBank; KiwiSaver; and on and on and on.

Every single one of those policies is a complete rejection of what Roger stood for. And - now - those policies are what NZ must do, we must pile everything labour has done on the bonfire, pour on petrol and thrown on the matches!

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Anonymous, you are deluded. People are referring only to those policies of Sir Roger's which actually were enacted. Not his dream boat wish list. I don't recall any time when NZers enjoyed a flat rate 10% income tax.

Anonymous said...

Then why is Douglas sought by governments all around the World for solutions to economic problems? Why has Douglas continued to receive awards and prizes like no other New Zealander has in respect of his reforming work around the globe? Why has Douglas received a knighthood?

Most importantly Adolf, how many governments around the world has Beatson assisted out of the mire? How many international awards has he got?

N.O.N.E

And you have got none also.

Douglas didn't wreck New Zealand, Muldoon did (a National Party leader by the way) by central control. The very same central control John Key is planning.

You're just like those parents on the sideline at children's sport on the weekend - always criticising and never seeing anything constructive. No wonder Doug Myers, Alan Gibbs et al can't be bothered with this country any longer. It's because of people like Beatson and you Adolf.

Sus said...

".. prepared to see a government destroyed rather than compromise on a free-market ideology that no longer commanded support among his political colleagues."

So what? Those "political colleagues" .. Clark, Goff, Lange, et al .. have/had their roots in 70s Marxism. Not exactly comforting.

Some changed their tune though. Michael Bassett & Mike Moore, for two. Once diehard socialists, they eventually realised that capitalism & the free market was the only moral way.

I'm no ACT supporter, but RD is worth a dozen Nats, fiscally speaking.

Or two dozen in the case of Nick Smith. ;)

Ackers said...

Never realised you were so influential Adolf!

This faith in free markets is touching. These people don't seem to have processed exactly what's happened in the last 2 months.

I'm sure John Key has.

ISeeRed said...

Anonymous, that's your (and partly my) wishlist, but not Sir Roger's e.g. his 1987 budget proposed a flat 23% income tax, not 10%.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

The argument is not about Douglas's policies. It is about his inability to be a team player and his propensity to be destructive. He is Winston Peters without the corruption. A man for all seasons under FFP but a fish out of water with MMP.

Clunking Fist said...

"The world has changed since the 1980s"

Actually it hasn't: gravity still prevails, bears shit and gummint regulation can stiffle innovation.
It's just that socialists and Common Purpose have convinced the masses otherwise.

Douglas is not WRONG, he is merely off-message.

Clunking Fist said...

"This faith in free markets is touching. These people don't seem to have processed exactly what's happened in the last 2 months."

See what I mean?

Anonymous said...

People are referring only to those policies of Sir Roger's which actually were enacted

Yep. Like selling of the railways and AirNZ (reversed); like simplyfying the tax and benefit system (reversed by WFF); like not having a state-rorted super system (KiwiStealer); like cutting taxes (even after Key's tax cuts, were still not even back to 1999 thanks to fiscal creep); ACC privatisation (reversed); bunk funding of schools (reversed); performance-based funding of hospitals (reversed);

and on and on and on

I don't recall any time when NZers enjoyed a flat rate 10% income tax.

Not for 100 years. But again: Roger wanted 23% in 1988. If his policies had been followed we'd have been at 10% by now.


We can all agree that there is no alternative to these policies. We had a change to get to them gradually in the 10 good years. Now we have a change to get there quickly - with Rogers help

or Roger will be back with the IMF and we won't have any choice at all

Sus said...

"This faith in free markets is touching. These people don't seem to have processed exactly what's happened in the last 2 months."

What free market?

Oh, you mean the "free market" that Washington controls via its 79,000 page Federal Register?

Gooner said...

Interesting stuff Adolf.

The fresh solution talked about will only come about with Roger in the tent. I shudder to think what life will be like for the Nats in parliament with Roger outside the tent chucking rocks inside it. If the Nats were truly smart they'd put him to use or else he will embarrass them intellectually, ideologically and politically.

And it is about the policies Adolf as the Nats aren't interested in changing anything. They need some encouragement or else we're fuc*ed.

Heine said...

I was asked by some Slovaks how long Roger was our PM for. He is considered a legend there as they had the highest growth in the OECD and enjoy an excellent flat tax system.

Ignoring his wisdom is not would I would want my legacy to be! Put him to good use I say!

Anonymous said...

had the highest growth in the OECD and enjoy an excellent flat tax system.

Slovakia. yeah. Growth rate comes from a) joining the EU, b) adopting the Euro, c) shitloads of EU structural adjustment money.
None of which we are ever likely to get.

Sure they have an apparently low 19% flat tax - but there is about a 30% payroll tax on top of that paid by employers.

And they have state ACC, state hospitals, state schools etc etc.

Oh look - I've an idea Labour should really really love: personal income tax goes to 0%; instead we just charge employers a flat 40% payroll tax!

fuckwit.

Heine said...

Anon - sigh. I don't know where to point my finger and laugh at you if you cannot even put your name to your silliness.

All your huffing and puffing doesn't take away from the fact that Slovakia is growing faster than NZ and you have greatly exaggerated the EU cash coming to their Govt. Plus they haven't joined the Euro until next year pal.

Put that beside their "wealthier" neighbour the Czech Rep who is flattening their tax rate even further in 08 down to 12.5% and they still enjoy well run state services and a excellent quality of life and I think you should read a few more books! Either that or you come over to Prague and we talk about it man to man?