Sunday, November 16, 2008

ACT In Trouble?

It looks that way, judging by reports in this morning's Herald on Sunday.

A few days ago Adolf wondered if the reincarnation of Roger Douglas might sow the seeds of ACT's demise. Unless ACT engages in some very slippy crisis management, Adolf's gloomy prediction looks likely to become a reality.

The usually astute Matt McCarten seems to think so. He sees the entry of Sir Roger into the fray as a prime driver for National's determination to accommodate the Maori Party and I suspect he is right.

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"Hide clearly overplayed his hand when he bullishly laid out Act's hard-right bottom lines to Key. Act underestimated the work in recent years by National's leadership, particularly Bill English, to cultivate a relationship with senior players in the Maori Party and in the wider Maori community. Clearly, National's leadership can count. Key's hint before the election that he would consider asking the party to be part of an incoming National

administration even if Key didn't need them for a majority was under-reported. But that was clearly National's insurance strategy against potential blackmail."

and

"Key is in the enviable position of neutralising Act by turning to the Maori Party when he needs a majority on any legislation. On centre-right policy he can rely on Act, but when they play up over matters that aren't right-wing enough, Key can always get the Maori Party onside.

Frankly, Act has no ace card to play when it comes to push and shove in the back room."

However of far more concern to the back room managers of ACT is the report of appalling behaviour on the part of its No 5 list MP David Garrett.

David Garrett

Mr Garret has just set off a hand grenade in the powder magazine of the good ship ACT.

It's not just the foolishness and crassness of his remarks that is a problem but moreso his blind stupidity in turning up three parts pissed to a TV studio to record a political discussion show. That is the real problem. You can't have a fool like this in a position of responsibility at a time of national crisis. A saner person with political nous would have cried off, feigning illness.

"Sources said Garrett turned up drunk and offended production staff when the Willie Jackson-fronted show was recorded at TVNZ studios in June.

"He was so extreme, I couldn't believe it," said one. "He was in the green room and he was so drunk. "

and

"Garrett: "Paedophiles, like homosexuals, 30 years ago homosexuals had, according to experts, a disease and they needed to be cured and it was a spectacular failure because homosexuality is a sexual orientation, so we decided that because there were 10 per cent of people who were homosexual it was no longer a disease. Paedophiles cannot be cured any better than ..."

and

"Hauiti said Eye To Eye regularly sought out controversial guests and Garrett was invited on as a legal adviser to the Sensible Sentencing Trust. "I did find him to be obnoxious. I told him we would never have him back again."

then the lames excuse

"I was at a business lunch that turned into a rather long one but I knocked off well before the show. It wasn't my finest hour. I don't believe I was offensive."

Rodney Hide has only one option. He should demand Garret's immediate resignation. You can't negotiate a coalition agreement when you are carrying Public Idiot Number One.

28 comments:

Barnsley Bill said...

Matt McCarten offering insights into the inner workings of Act?
Nope not buying that one, he is stirring.
The garret incident sounds a bit more serious.. But back in June? Why is this being reported now?
More lefty stirring.
Don't like it, don't want any, not buying it.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

It's being reported now because back in June he was not a list candidate.

Caleb said...

As you said adolf - back in June he wasn't a list candidate - so it doesn't matter.

And frankly, what he said is NOT offensive - he said that some years ago homosexuality was seen in the same way as paedophilia is now - as a disease. That was the comparison. I am gay and certainly don't see David's comments as bad.

And finally, for the record, you shouldn't be calling for David to quit - mark my words, in the next election, the majority of ACTs improved vote count will be because of David - he is a brilliant speaker and he pulls no punches. If we want to see the end of political correctness, it will be through people seeing people like David and knowing that it is safe to speak openly again.

The Silent Majority said...

The article is dirty, pathetic tabloid journalism and will be seen that way by many...a beat up. Even the producer of the show said it was OK for him to go on.

David Garrett is a straight talker and my guess is that people will come to appreciate his no nonsense style.

Are you still living in the PC world of the lefties many of us hope has been left behind with the demise of the marxists and socialists in our midst? Twisting and turning what people say in order to make it sound offensive when, on analysis, it wasn't offensive at all?

Anonymous said...

Resign???

I fail to see a problem here [apart from the obvious one when an MP goes on TV when he is Franz Lizst]
Garret just simply spoke the truth. Hence the shock-horror-heaven forbid reaction
ACT have been talking to te maoris for years. National have just woken up to the idea

KG said...

Resign? What the hell for?
As Caleb points out, there was nothing remotely offensive about his remarks.
Either we value straight talking or we don't--and I'd rather someone was free to offend others than be forced to be silent.

Anonymous said...

Who listens to Coddington? She was useless as an MP and is even less use as a feature writer.
Actually she needs to be spoken to and told to resign from writing unless she can find something worth writing about that she will actually understand,top to bottom. To much of an empty head for that to happen.

Redbaiter said...

So you applaud Key sucking up to racists and using them as political leverage against a party that advocates the small government free market policies that are the only remedy to impending economic collapse?? What did you vote out Labour for??

Redbaiter said...

"The garret incident sounds a bit more serious..

Oh jesus H christ on a bike. get a life you fucken brain damaged PC whimp.

Ackers said...

Yes, can't get enough of those small government free market solutions. Good to see boorish, pissed real Kiwi men finally getting their turn to set the agenda.

Should work a treat.

Blair said...

Yes, ACT are in so much trouble that we have just formed a government. Geez, Adolf, give it a rest, it's only been a week!

Ackers said...

"Policy concessions included an advisory group to look at ways of closing the income gap with Australia by 2025 and task forces to review government spending."

Wow. Rodney's setting the agenda alright.

Wonder how they are planning on achieving that?

Maybe they could cut taxes, massively cut Governmnet spending and let the magic of the markets work their wonder.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

It's always good to see calm and detached commentary.

Was this fellow vetted before he was appointed to the list, in front of numerous hard working and talented ACT party loyalists? Do you really want for an MP a hair plugged piss tank who can't keep his mouth shut?

And Blair, in case you haven't noticed, you haven't yet formed a government. Last time I looked you were still negotiating, and not very successfully, by the look of it.

FAIRFACTS MEDIA said...

I feel a good bollicking is about right.
But certainly ACT and it allies need to avoid MPs doing and saying stupid things.
It is also bizarre that for people fom supposed less intervetionist parties, some MPs have an unhealthy obsession with what people do in their bedrooms.
Stephen Franks was another one.

We can hardly expect a National - led government to widen its appeal to gay voters with comments like we have seen.

I would expect gays to be natural right-wingers as they are hardly likely to benefit from Working For Families.

On the other hand, a closer readng of what Garrett says, reveals something less controversal, as he did say he was referring to experts.

The age of the story also suggests a beat up and it being released for political/ smearing reasons.

Anonymous said...

"And Blair, in case you haven't noticed, you haven't yet formed a government. Last time I looked you were still negotiating, and not very successfully, by the look of it."

Umm, Adolf, an agreement was signed at 11am this morning. Keep up.

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Redbaiter said...

Look, we need to fight the left on so many levels, and a very important level is this attitude, induced by "socialization", that one cannot say things that might offend others. This is an extremely dangerous approach. It is essential that the right to speak our minds is returned. You might be offended by bigotry or any other such perceptions, but its never going to be as bad as the ideological totalitarianism that is the eventual outcome of this way of thinking. The left need to be beaten back, and confronting them on issues like this is where the most gains are to be made. Believe me, its one of the most important areas to hit them.

Redbaiter said...

Look, we need to fight the left on so many levels, and a very important level is this attitude, induced by "socialization", that one cannot say things that might offend others. This is an extremely dangerous approach. It is essential that the right to speak our minds is returned. You might be offended by bigotry or any other such perceptions, but its never going to be as bad as the ideological totalitarianism that is the eventual outcome of this way of thinking. The left need to be beaten back, and confronting them on issues like this is where the most gains are to be made. Believe me, its one of the most important areas to hit them.

Redbaiter said...

Apologies for the double post.

Anonymous said...

I love it! Backhanding the left into submission, one whack at a time.

Psycho Milt said...

Unfortunately, ACT's list has always featured a large number of weirdos with a grossly inflated sense of their own importance. Once these oddballs are faced with incontravertible evidence that the general public doesn't discern in them the greatness that their egos declare them to embody, they disappear from the list. I fully expect Boscawen and Garrett to fall into this category. And Douglas is a radical ideologue the public don't want to see anywhere near the levers of power. Hide and Roy had better just rely on themselves and keep in mind they got fewer votes than Winston First.

Redbaiter said...

" a large number of weirdos with a grossly inflated sense of their own importance. "

..and Milt follows that up with -

" evidence that the general public doesn't discern in them the greatness "

and

"Douglas is a radical ideologue the public don't want to see anywhere near the levers of power."

What do you call someone who presumes to speak for the NZ public twice in one short post Milt??

Psycho Milt said...

Redbaiter, general election results speak for the NZ voting public, not me - and if you think the last few results were saying something other than what I claim above, feel free to make a case.

Redbaiter said...

Oh, so now its the "NZ voting public" and no longer just the "general public". Still makes you what you claim others are Milt. You don't speak for the NZ public. Only collectivists assume that delusion. Whatever way the NZ public voted, they did so for two million different reasons.

Psycho Milt said...

Did you take quibbling lessons from Winston Peters, by any chance?

OECD rank 22 kiwi said...

PM rants: "Unfortunately, ACT's list has always featured a large number of weirdos with a grossly inflated sense of their own importance."

As opposed to that bastion of stability, The Green Party. Ha ha.

Psycho Milt said...

Given that the Greens' party list has retained much the same people on it for several elections in a row, yes - very much unlike the Greens.

WAKE UP said...

Pissed or sober, don't care. Is what he SAID correct?

How many of you bloggers have a few under the belt when you'e writing your witty rejoinders? Am I sober as I write this? You'll never know (though the time of day could be a clue).

Reminds me (a) of that historic moment when alcohol loosened Mel Gibson's tongue, and years of careful image-making were blown away in an instant, and; (b) of the stupid, appalling, absurd, embarrassing things said by perfectly sober parliamentarians in the House :)

I repeat: Pissed or sober, don't care. Is what he SAID correct?