Monday, September 29, 2008

Labour's Baby Factory

hattip Gooner

This interesting piece from 'stuff' shows how our state funded education system has been skewed to turn out more and more people who have no option but to depend on government handouts.

The idea is that you inculcate into their minds the notion that education is 'just too hard' but don't worry, the gummint will look after you - just so long as you continue to vote for Labour.

"Manley said people at the lowest ends of society lacked basic skills and were discouraged from improving themselves.

"They are led to believe and end up believing that they're no-hopers and they can't learn. Basically, they settle for depending on the Government because the Government dishes out," she said."

Says it all, really.

12 comments:

Falafulu Fisi said...

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They are led to believe and end up believing that they're no-hopers and they can't learn. Basically, they settle for depending on the Government because the Government dishes out

This is true. I have some relatives in South Auckland who fall into this category.

The ex-expat said...

As young ex-expat, my parents turned up to a parent-teacher evening at my school concerned at a glowing report I had received because there was just one small problem, I couldn't even read or write my own name.

When they voiced their concerns to the teacher, they were told that the school wasn't a school for doctors and lawyers but one for factory workers.

I was enrolled in a private school not long after that.

Lucyna Maria said...

Adolf, your Stuff link is missing.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

link fixed

Lucyna Maria said...

Thanks, Adolf.

What a terrible story. There are such basic things that can be done to improve the education of people - such as utilising memory for young children (memorising facts, poems, information) and regular reading aloud of books, which parents can do for their children.

Anonymous said...

I was enrolled in a private school not long after that.


Well noone should be trusted with a job - or a vote - who has suffered a state education in NZ.

There are such basic things that can be done to improve the education of people

and the most important is instilling discipline. which is now illegal.

the second most important is ensuring children associate only with those who have respect for themselves and for others - who are "aspirational" in the last cant, or as Key says, "ambitious"

and the only way to do that, as exexexpat says, is to get out of the state system immediately.

Chris said...

anonymous you're an idiot.

I've "survived" a state education and am about to graduate with a double degree and am considering post-grad or starting my own businesses (most likely both). If that isn't aspirational I don't know what is.

My sister has also had a state education and is receiving scholarships from everywhere.

State schools teach people to be independent, if we lived in your rank and file world no one would get anywhere. The 20's have been, if you can't get over that then please move somewhere more suited to your thinking, like Turkmenistan.

Sus said...

Anon & Chris both make idiotic statements.

Like Chris, I'm a successful product of a NZ state secondary school, as is my sister, a partner of some years with the world's largest law firm. Sure as hell wouldn't send any kids to a state high school now, though.

Independent thought, Chris? You must be joking.

* Try submitting a senior science assignment in disagreement with AGW and see how highly you mark.

* Try submitting an assignment in criticism of the gravy train Treaty of Waitangi bullshit and see how highly you mark.

* Try presenting an opinion that state-controlled Teachers' Training Colleges (or whatever the fuck they call them this week) are bastions of left-wing, if not overtly Marxist ideology and see how evenly you're treated.

* Try suggesting that health & education should be removed from the state as a matter of urgency if you *really* want to improve circumstances - and see how impartial your teachers are.

Independent thought? From those who preach outright state dependency & political indoctrination??!

Bloody funny independence.

Anonymous said...


I've "survived" a state education and am about to graduate with a double degree and am considering post-grad.... If that isn't aspirational I don't know what is.


it's bludging.


starting my own businesses.


well that's more like it.

Now please immediately pay back the 100,000 your "education" cost.

. Sure as hell wouldn't send any kids to a state high school now, though.

precisely.

Chris said...

so have you paid for your education anonymous? Oh wait, I know, you probably passed over the opportunity to better yourself in an act of benevolence to save the new zealand "taxpayer" (what a horrible term that is) money. You sure write like you've never seen the inside of lecture theatre.

At my school the teachers openly encouraged debate. If you justified your argument you probably would've been fine there. This is only natural though, all teachers are people, some are good, some are cunts (anonymous). My teachers knew that we would learn through open debate, so that's what we did (well in classes where you could, calculus wasn't exactly a stimulating debate, don't really see how it could be at level 3 though?). Don't preach bitterness just because you had a bad experience.

ISeeRed said...

Chris: new zealand "taxpayer" (what a horrible term that is)

Yep. "New Zealand tax victim" is much more accurate. We "pay" taxes in the same way we "donate" CO2. It's hardly a voluntary activity.

Anonymous said...


Chris: new zealand "taxpayer" (what a horrible term that is)


precisely. why is why - unless you really pay taxes out of your own money - then you don't get to vote.


except army & police, if you're a civil servant or otherways getting taxpayer dosh, no votes.