Friday, July 4, 2008

This is our battle too!


We are all truck drivers today.
Yes, it might be inconvenient to see the roads blocked.
But this is a battle against government in our interests too.
It's not just about road charges, there is more to it than that.
It is a battle about honesty.
Annette King and the Liarbour government had promised that there would be no changes to roaduser charges withour prior warning.
Liarbour reneged on that agreement.
Now, Liarbour may think it can lie, but if Liarbour is going to make promises that it breaks, how can we be expected to believe the promises it will make to the public in the upcoming election campaign?
There are also other matters of government integrity. It was interesting the announcement was made on the day of the official launch of KiwiRail. So as the Hive noted, government is going to screw the scrum in favour of its new $1.5 billion toy!
And of course there is the issue of a government being in touch with reality.
We are all suffering from rising food and fuel prices. And what does government do? But impose more tax rises.
The truckers, not the big businesses the left may claim, are predominatly one man drivers and small operators of just a few trucks. The increases will hurt.
Thus, they will have no option but to pass on the higher charges to you and I. And as I blogged the other day, with everything relying on trucks for transportation, higher road user charges will increase the costs of just about everything we buy.
To feed a greedy government still hungry for more of your cash.
In a week, Liarbour has announced other tax rises on alcohol and changes to ACC which will also mean more costs on employers. How much can businesses, like us, bear?
So, it is not a case of truckers being 'free riders' like the left say. They more than pay their way towards the cost of roading, leaving a substantial surplus to the Consolidated fund.
The truckies work long and unsociable hours too, to ensure there is food on our table and our stores have the other necessities of modern life.
And Liarbour just wants to make it harder and more expensive for us all.
We see an arrogant government contemptuous of public opinion blundering all the way.
So today, whether you have made it to work or not, remember , we are all truckies today, living but struggling in a world of higher Liarbour imposed taxes!
In the meantime, I leave you with that classic 1975 truckers song, made in the days before proper music videos, Convoy from CW McCall.

14 comments:

libertyscott said...

"They more than pay their way towards the cost of roading, leaving a substantial surplus to the Consolidated fund."

Um no, all RUC goes into the National Land Transport Fund, always has. It is one reason why it has always been superior to fuel tax - the law says it has to be calculated associated with road costs, and frankly it by and large is. However only half of local roading costs come from motorists, as rates pay the other half.

Having said that I find the lying to the truckers as so vile, that their rage is justifiable.

Psycho Milt said...

Actually, I'm a van driver today, not a truck driver - have to deliver some computers to our Wellinton office and bring some back. I hope I don't find my way blocked by any of these dumbasses.

If the truckers have a dispute with Annette Kin, let them take it to her, not take it out on the rest of us. I'm not interested in arguments about who promised what, and who ripped whom off last time such promises were made - they can take it somewhere else.

You have a number of defamations or incorrect assertions in here, FFM:

So as the Hive noted, government is going to screw the scrum in favour of its new $1.5 billion toy!

Given that road user charges are calculated by the Min of Transport based on what it costs to build and maintain roads, good luck trying to justify that one.

We are all suffering from rising food and fuel prices. And what does government do? But impose more tax rises.

At this point you really need to tell us how you're proposing roads get built and maintained, if we don't apply road user charges. It's a gaping, wide-open hole in your argument.

...they will have no option but to pass on the higher charges to you and I.

Correct, we'll end up paying it, not the truck drivers. So, what exactly is their problem?

...higher road user charges will increase the costs of just about everything we buy.

Yes, but we're still waiting for you to fill that gaping hole. Building and maintaining roads is a cost of road transport. If we use road transport for everything we buy, that's a cost we have to cover in the price of those products. Why should we not have to it?

..it is not a case of truckers being 'free riders' like the left say. They more than pay their way towards the cost of roading, leaving a substantial surplus to the Consolidated fund.

As LibertyScott's pointed out, this is quite simply wrong. The truckers are in fact bitching about having to pay an obvious cost of their business. No sympathy, sorry.

...we are all truckies today, living but struggling in a world of higher Liarbour imposed taxes!

You'll find the pressure on truckies, and the rest of us, is due mainly to the increased price of oil. If you want somebody to hold responsible for it and hassle with your trucks, I suggest the following, in that order:

1. Companies trading in oil futures.

2. Oil companies raking in huge profits.

3. China.

4. India.

That's where the truckers' diesel at $1.86 is coming from, which is the real cost pressure on their businesses, and the real pressure on our food prices. Bit harder to go protest to those guys than to drive around central Wellington and annoy the rest of us, though.

adamsmith1922 said...

Fairfacts please excuse the link, but my post here is about the political mismanagement involved in this issue re the truckers, plus like you I finished up with a version of Convoy
http://adamsmith.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/1606/

Psycho Milt said...

Also: if we're defaming people this morning, I prefer the Standard's one about Tony Friedlander having arranged this protest to help his ex-colleagues in National with their election campaign. It's way more plausible than the Hive's one about Labour billing truckers to pay for rail.

adamsmith1922 said...

I am afraid that I have to take issuew ith part of what Psycho Milt commented on the price of oil, one India is an issue, but partly because it spends US$80 billion per annum subsidising the price of oil to consumers and China also subsidises oil price
Further the IEA in it's most recent report on oil prices, referenced here
http://adamsmith.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/1673/
states:-
But the IEA warned governments not to blame speculators. It said: “Like alchemists looking for a way to turn basic elements into gold, everyone wants a simplistic explanation for high prices,” bluntly adding: “Often it is a case of political expediency to find a scapegoat for higher prices rather than undertake serious analysis or perhaps confront difficult decisions.”
There is no proof that it is excessive speculation causing price rises
On oil company profits the cost of actually getting oil out of the ground is rising very significantly and those profits go to pay for that.

bobux said...

Psycho Milt

I enjoy your comments, but think you have lost the plot on this issue.

Noone in the trucking industry is saying that they shouldn't pay any road taxes. What they dispute is the formula that calculates the percentage of road costs payed by the trucking industry. Given that Annette King agreed last night to set up a working party to consider this issue, it is just possible the truckies have a point.

Secondly, the transport industry will, eventually, pass on their costs to their customers. Unfortunately, they have already priced and and contracted a fair bit of work, which will now have to be delived at the quoted price despite an unforseen increase in goverment charges. You can't pass on increased costs in higher prices next month if you go broke this month.

The Road Transport Association had (or thought they had) an agreement that the government would give advance warning of RUC increases. It is this casual breach of promise that seems to have the truckies particularly incensed.

Finally, the truckies are protesting for exactly the same reason other groups protest: to attract attention and force the government to the negotiating table. And it has worked, so expect to see the tactic repeated.

adamsmith1922 said...

PM
I agree with you in that I do not think that the RUC increase was linked to Rail buyback, but the political mismanagement of announcing it the same day was immense and allows people to run an attack line that Labour is seeking to be anti competitive and anti businesshoscqn

Anonymous said...

PM what a fool you are.
Let's get this straight. It is okay for, say maritime and ferry workers to strike. or it's okay for distribution unions to strike and all of these brings inconvenience. But if people speak out against the labour government, they are dumb arsses?

Oh the delicious irony that the first part of NZ to grow enough backbone to stand up against this corrupt and arrogant lot, are in fact blue collar workers. And even better is faux lefties like Psycho Milt who snaps like a rabid dog at people he would normally support.

I love it when the hypocrisy of these people are exposed.

PM I await your rabid attack when say woman against violence march down a street that you need to use.

homepaddock said...

It's not jsut trucks - it's school buses and, no doubt someone will correct me if I'm wrong here, it's also ambulances.

David Baigent said...

psycho milt,

What would you think the comparative cost of axle based distance meters and GPS based logging for trucks would be?

What do you think the comparative cost per kilometer, to road users, would be if GPS toll was charged by Land Transport or by a PPP funded toll road.

When your blood pressure comes down again, ask your self which option would provide what the taxpayer will demand at the least overall cost.

Finally ask yourself which option will be operating in this country very soon.

bobux said...

Milt

What are you trying to say?

At a time when multiple polls have Mational 20 points clear of Labour, National activates its deep-cover sleeper cell within the Road Transport Association and stages a nationwide truckies protest. And Tony Friedlander, who was an MP more than two decades ago, exercises his sinister powers to compel thousands of small business owners to miss half a days work and risk upsetting their customers.

This might make sense if you live in Standardland - anywhere else it is drivel.

I agree The Hive's suggestion that the government is trying to price truckies off the road to advance the cause of rail is also nonsense. However, the government created this rod for its own back by deciding it could be a player and referee in the same industry.

If you really want to know what the truckies think, why not ask one. Its not like they're hard to find today.

bobux said...

Excuse earlier double post.

And for "Mational", read "National".

Anonymous said...

Psycho milt,is it ok for government to renege on a promise?.You dont care but fortunately most of NZ does!.

Clunking Fist said...

All you fat Rich Pricks: it is only LEFTIES who are allowed to protest!


Hey Psycho, is driving a van to Wellington really good use of your time? Would it be better to get a contractor to do it so you could concentrate on your job? If you price the opportunity cost of you doing it at say $200 an hour, plus van hire, insurance and fuel, would it not be better to get a contractor to do it?
You should be sending them by train, after all, that's why the gummint bought it for you...

;^)