Wednesday, April 23, 2008

Helen, the would-be kitty killer!!!


I'm going to wait until I have read all of Absolute Power before I do a proper book review.
But I thought I would share with you the first few paragraphs of the first chapter.
There is a story told by an old schoolmate of Helen Clark's, of the time when they were both 15-year-olds in the Waikato farming settlement that the Clark family called home. One of the local girls had just become the proud owner of a litter of kittens, and invited the other teenagers around for a look.
"Ugh", was 15-year-old Helen Clark's response when she saw so many squirming kittens trying to feed from their mother. "How horrible. There's just too many. You should just drown them."
It certainly left an impression on those in the room.
Indeed, what a kick-off to the 330-0dd page book, which has attracted little comment, though I noted Danyl McLaughlin doubting the truth of this particular story on another blog.
Clark can cheat, Clark can lie, Clark can committ forgery, steal an election, any crime she likes. But really, wanting to kill kittens is certainly beyond the pale. Don't forget to tell your children.

24 comments:

Blair said...

Actually, I think you can tell a lot about a person by their attitude to cats. I can forgive Clark a multitude of sins, but drowning kittens is far beyond the pale, isn't it?

Monty said...

But wait there is more. If she wins the election, Clark will command that the first born child of every known "evil Tory" voter will be taken and placed in re-education camps. This little known secret agenda of Labour was told to me by someone in the know.

Clark will try and deny it, but the evidence is there. Her hate of "evil Tories" is well known and we also know she will do what eve it takes to keep National from the Government benches.

She is also in regular contact with Robert Mugabe on keeping power for the good of the people.

Psycho Milt said...

Oh wonderful - now our blog joins the ranks of anonymous gossip-mongers.

As it happens, I went to school with John Key. I well recall Key getting his kicks from killing baby ducks by stamping on them. Baby ducks!!! Who would put a man like that in charge of our country? It's just shameful!!!!

Psycho Milt said...

Actually, Monty's response to this is even better than mine. I just can't shake the feeling that he's not joking.

pdm said...

When I was a kid growing up in the country in the 1950's unwanted kittens were regularly drowned by my father. They were put in a sugar sack (remember those) and held under the water in a trough.

It probably happened two or three times a year and I am sure we were not the only ones who did it.

It was just a fact of life.

FAIRFACTS MEDIA said...

I grew up in the country too, so I know values differ down on the farm.
As a kid I had a cat that had kittens.
And I remember my dad once disposing of a litter.
He didn't drown them but rather he hit them on head wth a hammer.
I was still upset though.
This is the issue.
Clark took delight in suggesting the drowning of the kittens. She said it of her own violition. It
wasn't something suggested by an adult because the place was overrun with cats.
Clark said it because of a lack of feeling and compassion in her.
And that speaks volumes in my book.

Psycho Milt said...

This is going way too fucking far. It's one thing for Ian Wishart to peddle anonymous bullshit gossip in his books, it's another for it to appear on a site with my name on it. Please consider the difference between stating what you have evidence for, and just making shit up, FFM.

FAIRFACTS MEDIA said...

PM me old sausage,I am just quoting the excerpt from the book.
It will be no more or no less accurate than any other of its contents.
And I did mention Danyl McLoughlin doubting the veracity of the story.
True, it's an anonymouse quote, but all I was doing was quoting the book.
But in a way you prove a point PM.
Helen can be accused of whatever,
but me recalling a story of her wanting to kill kittens is obviously beyond the pale! :)

Psycho Milt said...

Not the exerpt. This:

Clark took delight in suggesting the drowning of the kittens. She said it of her own violition. It
wasn't something suggested by an adult because the place was overrun with cats.
Clark said it because of a lack of feeling and compassion in her.


It's nothing to me if Wishart publishes crap like that exerpt you quoted in what he presumably intended to be taken as a serious book - but hell, that reflects only on him. (And fuck does it reflect on him! You guys are actually taking a book with that kind of ridiculous shit in it seriously? I'm gobsmacked.) I don't have to care either way, and can have a laugh about it. But the vicious libel I'm objecting to is not Wishart's, and it's on a blog with my name on it. (OK, my name isn't on it, but you get the idea.) That I don't find very funny at all.

FAIRFACTS MEDIA said...

It is certainly my OPINION based on what Ian Wishart recalls in the story.
Certainly, Helen Clark's view in suggesting the kittens be drowned is not something I approve of.
The story may be false or it may be true. I am sure it is well documented just like the other allegations made in the book.
You believe Absolute Power is full of libels , but Ian Wishart offers evidence to claim otherwise, though he does not name the source of the kitten story.
One would expect he will be able to back this story, especially as it kicks off the book and to some extent sets the tone.
If it is full of libels then Dear Leader should sue the arse off him. But will she? Can she?
Truth is a defence!

Now I see Dear Leader has launched the PM Literary Awards.
So should Absolute Power get a nominations, and in which category, PM, fiction, non-fiction or poetry :)

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10505584

Gooner said...

FFM, your opinion has to be based on facts which are known and which you honestly believe to be true, even if they aren't. I doubt you can say this here. I'm with Milt. Repeating a defamation is still a defamation even though someone else publishe dit first.

FAIRFACTS MEDIA said...

Fair comment Gooner.
I believe the story is true.
While Dear Leader suggesting the drowning of kittens sounds pure theatre, I believe the outrageous nature of the story makes it true.
This is the opening to the book.
Of all the stories and anecdotes to publish, one would imagine that the story is well documented by Ian Wishart.
It might sound almost too good to be true , but the credibility of the first story/ anecdote/ claim would determine the veracity or otherwise of the book.
If this story about the kittens does not stand up, then it calls the rest of the book into question.
And I am sure that of all the stories/anecdotes/ allegations, Ian Wishart will consequently have ensured this particularly story stands and is true.

investigate said...

The kitten story is true...and interestingly enough has a spooky Clark household parallel when George Clark told Peter Davis there were too many homosexuals in New Zealand and someone should just "drown" them.

It appears to have been a rural approach to things. Regardless of the fact that it is a true story, it is not defamatory either, unless someone is suggesting that euthanising kittens is more serious than advocating abortion.

Perhaps some of my critics should explain why they are so outraged about kittens, but not kids.

danyl said...

If this story about the kittens does not stand up, then it calls the rest of the book into question.
And I am sure that of all the stories/anecdotes/ allegations, Ian Wishart will consequently have ensured this particularly story stands and is true.


If you check the book you'll see that Ian does not trouble himself to name a source for this particular story - and it also lacks credibility at a basic level: Clark didn't go to school in the Waikato when she was 15, she attended boarding school in Auckland.

Psycho Milt said...

There's a basic difference to consider, FFM. Here it is:

1. Wishart presents an event he claims was reported by a witness at the scene. It may be defamatory, but at least it's plausible that his source was there and witnessed the event as described.

2. You however added to it: Clark took delight in suggesting the drowning of the kittens and Clark said it because of a lack of feeling and compassion in her, ie you embellished the witness' story with your own idle and extremely vindictive speculation about her motives and character, presented baldly as fact.

Psycho Milt said...

Perhaps some of my critics should explain why they are so outraged about kittens, but not kids.

Ian, as mentioned above, I'm outraged at FFM gratuitously libelling Clark on our blog, not your story about the kittens.

It appears to have been a rural approach to things.

Yep. I lived on the West Coast for 5 years, and none of the locals would have found anything worth mentioning in Clark's reported suggestion. I can only assume your book is aimed at the urban market...

...George Clark told Peter Davis there were too many homosexuals in New Zealand and someone should just "drown" them.

Now, that wouldn't have raised an eyebrow on the Coast either!

...it is not defamatory either, unless someone is suggesting that euthanising kittens is more serious than advocating abortion.

You're on the wrong blog for that one...

investigate said...

Danyl...Clark had attended the local primary school prior (thus getting to know local kids)...and during her high school years returned home for the school holidays and summers...join the dots.

Anonymous said...

Fair comment Ian. Good response!

Gooner

Johnboy said...

Bet she wished she could find a sack big enough to fit Mike Williams

FAIRFACTS MEDIA said...

OK PM, maybe I embellished a little too much in saying the PM took delight in her suggestion.
But she made the suggestion, she wasn't prompted.
And while drowning kittens is the way of the country, the fact that she raised the issue unprompted suggests to me at least something cold and unpleasant within her nature.

Now, Liarbour people seem to have issues with drowning things.

Michael Cullen once said that “people who advocate large tax cuts off the back of large surplus’s should be taken out and quietly drowned”

Blair said...

Come on people, this is a bit of fun. It's just an amusing anecdote. My original comment was facetious, and perhaps a bit too subtle in that regard on reflection. Nobody is suggesting it disqualifies Clark from office. It's just a lightweight critique of her character that people can take how they will.

Stop...er... having kittens over it!

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WAKE UP said...

Apologies y'all, too many typos, hence immediately previous deletions. Now, where was I...oh yes: kittens, f'chrissake - after all this government has done to the country, we're talking about kittens as...ummm... indicators of the PM's psyche.

I'd rather go for what they said about Nixon: if he'd done it to Pat instead of to the country, both Pat and the country would have been happier :)