Saturday, March 29, 2008

Islam v Islamism

Some very perceptive commentary on the West and it's dealings with Islamic radicals.

Interesting to note yet another example of how lunatic leftists have allowed their obsession with George W Bush to screw up yet another opportunity for progress.

"..............tearing down the notion, so carefully constructed by George Bush after September 11 of separating terrorism from the "religion of peace.

By repeatedly invoking Islam as the cause or, alternatively, the justification, for violent behavior, both the Left and the Right have jointly undermined the strategy of forming political coalitions with certain elements in the Islamic world to prosecute other elements. This coalition strategy undergirds the actions in Iraq and Afghanistan; it is implicit in US cooperation with Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan and Turkey. In those places the US associates itself with certain elements of the "religion of peace" (such as Grand Ayatollah Sistani) against other elements........."

"..........If the Left had been smart they would have supported Bush's war on targeted elements of Islam. But by falling back on a reflexive pacifism, they gradually deligitimized this appoach without providing a viable warfighting strategy of their own. The Left's own rhetorical unconsciously painted them into the corner of inaction. Both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, for example, rely on the slogan of "getting troops out of harm's way" in place of any real program for resolving the current world crisis."



This is so true Adolf.
I would say the leftist appeasement and unwillingness from the left to tackle the extreme forms of islam that promotes terror is encouraging the fanatics.
They can get away with committing atrocity after atrocity knowing that a sizeable section of Western society would rather blame their own leaders rather than the perpetrators of the terror themselves.
Bush has been an easy scapegoat for them.
But remember Clinton and others wanted to invade iraq too.
It is like the left are acting as a fifth column on this issue.
They are defacto supporting jihad.
Note I talk of jihad.

There has been insufficient condemnation from 'moderate' Islam against the terror attacks, very little in the way of construjctive dialogue between muslim countries who might want to believe that certain elements are tarring the name of their religion.

Thus, I find myself heading down the path to believing that Islam is incompatable with the freedoms we take for granted in Western countries.
There may come a time, if the more extreme forms of Islam predominate that the only way for Western culture to survive would be the enforced removal of muslims from out countries, regardless of the carnage such a policy might bring.
Muslims needs to know they have fled their third world hell holes for a better life so they should be grateful to Western countries and fit in with our culture.
If not, they have come to simply Islamify a land, then they have evil motives and should consequenntly leave.
There should be no tolerance of Islamist intolerance.
And that too is a central message of the Wilders film.

Anonymous said...

you are a sick fuck..

(hate-filled)facts media..

actually are pretty much the most loathesome creature 'blogging' in new zealand..

you spew forth diatribes of racist hate..

you positively bathe in it..

that you also work as amainstream 'journaliat'..

sorta compounds it..



Anonymous said...

but you and adolf just keep on talking to yourselves/each



Phil, Islam is not a race but an ideology.
An ideology to be confronted like socialism, facism, or even the extreme tenets of Christianity like that practiced by the Exclusive bretheren.
Not that they go round killing people.
I could convert to Islam tomorrow.
A Muslim could convert to Christianity, thought they might get killed for it.
But I cannot change my race, I cannot become Moari, Asian or whatever.
The issue I have with Islamism is how its practicioners aim to change the way we live today, while its moderates, who are perhaps afraid, sit back and do nothing.
They oppose rights for women.
Surely as a lefty you support rights for women?
Do you want to see women back in the kitchen, or raped at will?
Do you support women's liberation or even a woman's right to choose on abortion?
The Islamists oppose rights for gays. They would happily stone gays.
Surely as a lefty you support gay rights or do you support the stoning of gays?
Islamic countries tend to be a bit hardline in the criminal justice department. Beheadings, stonings, amputation of limbs, etc.
I would like to see government take a tougher stance, but maybe such punishments go too far.
As a lefty Phil, do you support such a criminal justice system?
Do you support the democratic system we have, or would you prefer Sharia Law and the religion becoming the state?
Few muslim states are truly democratic, so unlike the secular or judaeo-christian west.
If I am so full of hate, it is because I hate what these people, these terrorists do in the name of their evil religion, their evil prophet, their evil Koran, which justifies such barabarity.
That is why we see such evils from Islamists. It is written in the Koran, which is a message of the Fitna movie.
That is why I hate Islam. I hate the stonings done in its name, I hate the executions done in its name, I hate the killings and bommbings done in its name.
I hate the Islamists for 9-11, I hate the Islamists for the London bombings, I hate the Islamists for the Madrid bombings, I hate the Islamists for the Bali bombings, I hate the Islamists for the acts of terror they committ the whole world over.
So yes, Phil, I hate an ideology that puts killing before freedom, Islam is an ideology so full of hate. And that is why I hate it.
And that is why I don't want to see any of the followers of its more extreme varieties in New Zealand, or Western Europe.
If they want conquest, if they want Sharia Law, the Islamists should return to the Arabic countries from whence they came.
Now you have a son Phil, and I am sure you love him dearly.
What kind of New Zealand do you want him to grow up in? What kind of world? A world at peace? Or one battling for its survival against an evil doctine that wants one world under Allah?

USpace said...

GO Mr. Wilders! Great job! Short and to the point, very powerful! I want my Fitna DVD too! Behold the multitudes of crawling and cowering Dhimmis.

It will be interesting to see how many of them will watch this. Eventually, most probably will. SPREAD THE WORD to the world everyone! :)

All real freedom starts with freedom of speech. If there is no freedom of speech, there will be no real freedom. The Christians and Jews don’t riot when somebody makes fun of Christ or Jews. People must learn to be civilized. Rioting MUST not be tolerated.

That’ll be great if there’s no rioting, how very mature that would be. Geert Wilders is a hero telling the painful truth. Definitely show it in Denmark ASAP.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
weak and insecure is BEST

the best way for religion
KILL those who question it

absurd thought -
God of the Universe wants
Islam for everyone

submit to glorious life
slavery and servitude

absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
outlaw self-defense

exposing violent crimes
shall be deemed hate speech