Wednesday, December 19, 2007

Unintended Consequences

Adolf wonders how many people in the Labour camp watched parliamentary debate yesterday and realised that their despicable Electoral Finance Bill gave the voting public their first real taste of the next government in action. National, Act and The Maori Party.

I commented in a couple of places yesterday that for the first time we have seen the next coalition government in action. Here's the team.

Prime Minister - John Key

Deputy PM - Bill English

Treasurer and Finance Minister - Rodney Hide

Minster for Maori Affairs

What a magnificently refreshing spectacle they made. A competent, cohesive, positive grouping, fighting for the good of all New Zealanders.

What a tawdry comparison the other losers made. A gaggle of backs to the wall, broke no hopers, fighting tooth and nail for their own selfish interests.

It was a remarkable juxtaposition, summed up by Chris Finlayson's adjectival closing description of the gang leader, Helen Clark.


Anonymous said...

Treasurer and Finance Minister - Rodney Hide


Anonymous said...

How can I gt hold of Chris Finalyson's closing speech?

Anonymous said...

danyl, not clever..
Your one line of laughter just secured an additional 1, 2 or 10 National votes in the next Election.

Andy said...

Love the lineup mate.

Treasurer and Finance Minister - Rodney Hide - fantastic.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

DIM, Rodney has better qualifications and experience for these roles than do either Peters or Cullen.


Hansard tells me it will be up on Thursday or at the latest Friday.

Anonymous said...

Rodney has better qualifications and experience for these roles than do either Peters or Cullen.

This may or may not be the case - but the reality on the ground is that Key has absolutely no reason to hand Hide the Treasury portfolio. Unless ACT somehow pulls in 4 or more seats they're unlikely to get any cabinet posting whatsoever.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

That may be so on the surface and for now but I suspect there will be some consideration given to locking in parties for the future. I suggest ACT would be better placed to improve it's party vote in 2011 and 2014 with it's man in the cabinet than it would with him on the back bench. National might be very glad of a couple of extra seat in 2011 even if RH is the only one in 2008. It's about taking a longer term view than just tomorrow or next week or next election.

Anonymous said...

I think the chances of John Key stabbing his deputy PM in the back and totally destroying party unity just so ACT can have the opportunity to stage a comeback by stealing voters off National are pretty remote. But then I am just a deluded naive lefty.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Well, who knows? Fortunately it won't be up to you to make those decisions. Or to me.

KG said...

"But then I am just a deluded naive lefty."
Self awareness is such a refreshing thing to see in a lefty.

Anonymous said...

Key could do a lot worse than have Rodney as his Minister of Finance. It would set up a great troika (Key, English, Hide) going into the 2011 elections.

Also agree about Harawira as Maori Affairs. And perhaps Sharples as associate Education and a couple of other portfolios?

Anonymous said...

Key could do a lot worse than have Rodney as his Minister of Finance. It would set up a great troika (Key, English, Hide) going into the 2011 elections.

Having Rodney as treasurer is obviously very desirable to ACT supporters - but last time I looked Key was leader of the National Party, not ACT. He directly competes with ACT for right-wing voters and has absolutely no incentive to undermine his parties strength by giving the most coveted portfolio in government to the leader of a rival party that currently enjoys support from less than 1% of the population.

English has been a star performer in the house, supported Key in his bid for the leadership in exchange for the finance portfolio, enjoys widespread respect from the media and other parties and would be a fearsome enemy if double-crossed, so ditching him in favor of Hide, who is seen as a rather sad, comic figure by the 99% of the nation that don't support his party would be a less than optimum way for Key to kick off his leadership.

Honestly, if this is what ACT supporters are telling themselves then they're even more deluded than I thought.

Anonymous said...

I'm actually a National supporter.

But shoring up Act's support for the next two elections is very important. Just look at what Labour did in 1999- showing a coalition in waiting with the Alliance.

Also, Act pull in some of the vote that I don't think National can. I have tried (unsuccessfully) to get some more liberal friends to vote National, but they are quite happy to admit they like Rodney.

Anonymous said...

National's current surge in popularity is ostensibly coming from the centre where Labour is bleeding support, and one imagines that installing Rodney Hide in the finance portfolio is not a move likely to instil confidence in the swing vote.

If National was still under Brash, I could see Hide being an outside chance. But given English's well-known hunger for the finance position, putting Hide in that seat would likely tear the National Party apart.

One thing that you can take to the bank is that Key will not attempt to shift National further to the right (at least before the election). How does that reconcile with the wishful thinking above?


Anonymous said...

Samuel Myles, why would these two racist apologists and agitators make good ministers of anything?

I suspect that just because they call themselves Maoris, you immediately jump to attention. This country doesn't need ANY minister of Maori Affairs (any more than it needs a Ministry of Dutch or Chinese Affairs). That post should be abolished; and to allow Sharples with his racist attitudes to have anything to do with educating our young people would be to create another whole generation of mind-fucked PC drones.

Anonymous said...

Sorry to spoil the party but John Key has stated on numerous occasions that the only job allocated once elected is that of the Finance Minister and that is one Bill English

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Raffles, you are probably right but that's no reason for one to not indulge in the odd flight of fancy. Who knows? Mr Ket might get to like the idea and so might Mr English, with the right inducements.

Isn't that what politics is all about?

Simeon said...

How could it not work??

A great lineup

Just my opinion said...

Danyl is the naive one.

Most Nats I know and am friends with are very comfortable with Rodney being part of any form of coalition with them. ACT also competes for disaffected Labour voters who would not join National.

It looks like a fresh line up. The Maori Party influence would be incredible, especially as Labour has been screwing the Maori vote for years. We all know Labours statist ideology has hurt the Maori cause, so having them aligned with parties that actually want them to succeed will be great.

Anonymous said...

I agree with Danyl. And Danyl, I have been an Act member for 10 years and never delude myself as to our (im)potency :)

I wouldn't want Act *in* the government either. Hide would do better work outside cabinet.


David Farrar said...

Rodney may well be in Government and a Minister. But Bill English will be Finance Minister unless ACT say quadruple their vote.