Wednesday, November 21, 2007

Exporting unemployment to Aus

Interesting story on net population loss to Australia on Stuff this morning.

A few points:

1. We're now losing 40,000 per year. Those socialist Liarbore bastards!!! This figure is the highest in a decade. Er, hang on - a decade? It was this bad 10 years ago? Surely the "socialists" weren't running things back then. Shit, who are we going to blame now?

2. Net loss is 26,500, due to 13,500 immigrants from Aus. Our Aussies tend to be skilled professionals, and the people we're shipping over there tend to be unskilled. Sounds rather like we're making on the deal to me.

3. 53% of NZers would consider a job overseas, according to an international survey. What, only 53%? What's wrong with you people? I've lived overseas twice and both were great experiences. NZ's none too flash on a world scale, certainly not so flash you wouldn't consider living anywhere else.

4. Apparently NZers are moving to Aus for the "lifestyle." Excuse me? I just came back from spending several days there for work - it was unpleasantly hot, swarming with flies, paranoid about where the next litre of water is coming from, and the grocery prices were eye-watering. I'd consider living in quite a few countries, but that one's low on the list.

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

they come, they go. always have, always will. it's the quality of those going and the quality of the replacements that's a concern.

gooner

Ed Snack said...

Maybe, just maybe, they're sick of the corrupt nanny state we are heading so rapidly towards in NZ ?

Don't know where you went to Australia last time PM, but it doesn't seem to have been the same place I visited. It was warmer (not hard), but they generally have enough water (ignore the hysterical propaganda please), and many grocery items were cheaper, but perhaps i was shopping for basics not luxuries ?

ZenTiger said...

Sounds rather like we're making on the deal to me.

You would perhaps be one of the unskilled ones? :-) Let's look at the math:

13,000 Ozzies, and only 2/3 are skilled. Lets call that 8,500 skilled coming in.

40,000 kiwis going out, half are skilled. That's 20,000 out.

Net LOSS of skilled workers is 11,500.

FAIRFACTS MEDIA said...

I tried Australia too a year ago, but returned.
However, the government had nothing to do with my return.
I just did not fancy Perth nor Sydney and started missing ther people I know in Auckland.
There are many reasons why people emigrate, and it is not all due to money.
But the issue becomes one of the widening wealth gulf between Australia and New Zealand and that is increasiongly encouraging people to head over to Oz.
There is the feeling of a country going on 'the right track' too.
In the mid-90s when i first came to NZ , it seemed to be on the right track. there was an economic boom, a confidence in people that has since gone.
When i came back to NZ in 1998, that coinfidene had gone. Perhaps it was the impact of the 1996 Election that blew it!

Seamonkey Madness said...

Or the Asian stockmarket crash - take your pick.

(the word verification was NZDFUG! Ooooooh!)

Anonymous said...

"We're now losing 40,000 per year. ... This figure is the highest in a decade. Er, hang on - a decade? It was this bad 10 years ago? Surely the "socialists" weren't running things back then."

Fair point. Just like the argument that goes.

"This is the hotest summer in 80 years. Er, hang on - 80 years? You mean it was hotter 80 years ago. Before all that CO2 was let into the atmosphere?"

Kent Parker said...

Australia has enormous mineral wealth and they are riding on the backs of economic growth in China and India. It's not the govt that is responsible for their wealth.

Over here in kiwiland we have to work a little harder for our living. While we may not be as prosperous as the Ozzies at the moment, that could change.

KG said...

"Australia has enormous mineral wealth and they are riding on the backs of economic growth in China and India. It's not the govt that is responsible for their wealth."
That's an argument that's used again and again and I reckon it's only partly true.
(after all, don't lefties claim that all those profits end up in the pockets of an elite few?)
The Howard government paid off the national debt within a few years of coming to power--so what were the previous lot doing with all that wealth? Obviously, good policies and good economic management are necessary if the minerals in the ground are to be translated into a better standard of living for the population in general.
Kent also said:
"While we may not be as prosperous as the Ozzies at the moment, that could change."
It could. The minerals could run out, a Labor government in Oz could do what the previous Labor government did. Enzed could get rid of the millstone of a massive welfare culture,punitive taxation levels in enzed could be reduced....
could change, yes. But likely? No way.
As for grocery prices--two things really struck us when we came to NZ two years ago. The rotten standards of the media and the price of everyday essentials, including groceries. And we'd been doing our shopping in Darwin, hardly the cheapest city in Australia for foodstuffs.

KG said...

And PM--Australia is so big that it's in effect a whole lot of countries rolled into one.From Tasmania to Darwin is a bloody long way in more ways than one.
There are plenty of places where the flies aren't swarming, the weather's mild to cool most of the year and groceries are available from all kinds of outlets at widely varying prices.
"A few days" in a country that size hardly constitutes in-depth research. Or experience.

ZenTiger said...

Also, further to my point:

40,000 kiwis going out, half are skilled. That's 20,000 out.

I read somewhere that families were leaving. The above statistic could therefore imply that up to half of the "unskilled" are merely children.

With 2/3 Aussies coming in, it might indicate a higher degree of retired Aussies (skilled but not interested in working?) coming in (cheap property, exchange rate gain, good retirement) or that young, unencumbered Aussies are over here for a bit of OE.

It would be interesting to know the full story in both directions. Perhaps we need a questionnaire on why people are leaving?

ZenTiger said...

Australia has enormous mineral wealth and they are riding on the backs of economic growth in China and India

But that is not the only way of being a prosperous nation Kent. We have many advantages to exploit. Your "grass is greener" logic is ironic.

It's not the govt that is responsible for their wealth.

Now you are speaking of NZ again. I agree. We carry on in spite of Labour.

Matt Nolan said...

The only reason departures were greater at the turn of the century is because of benefit laws in Australia.

In 2001 they made it harder for New Zealanders to get benefits in Aus, and the number of people moving over there plummeted.

So departures have reached the same peak they have in 2000, even with no security net for people moving over there - implying that the payoff from getting a job must be a hell of a lot higher (and the chance of getting a job is higher as well).

Heine said...

The only way Aussie could come back down to NZ levels would be if a big spending union friendly Labor party got in power.

Thankfully even the Aussie Labor party are promising tax cuts ... now lets hope they keep the Unions at bay.

Sean said...

PM - when the article says "More and more New Zealanders are moving to Australia in the biggest exodus for a decade."

...it doesn't necessarily mean that more left 10+ years ago, it could mean that the comparable measurements were only made in the last 10 years.

It would probably pay to get the official stats first, and they may actually prove you right, I'm not sure. But I always take the media comment "the worst/best/highest/lowest since xxxx" with a grain of salt.