Question: When do you know the 'war' in Iraq is a shambles and is a lost cause?
Answer: When Republicans start saying so and when the former head of the Bin Laden unit in the CIA says so.
Foreign policy under Bush has made the world a more unstable place. They need to get the foxtrot out of Iraq now.
And no, I'm not drunk or on drugs. I initially thought invading a country to impose your beliefs on them by force is and was wrong, plain and simple. Then when some good things started occurring in Iraq I changed my tune a little. Now I have reverted to my initial position and one I should have stuck with because it is the correct one.
I am no fan of Robert Fisk but he encapsulated the position quite clearly for me when asked what might bring about some semblance of peace in the Middle East. He responded by saying when the West stop telling them how to live their lives. Now it appears Michael Scheuer agrees with that.
If you are truly a liberal you will be against the imposition of compulsion in any form to change behaviour. True liberals acknowledge that the first priority of the State is to protect its citizens, both internally and externally. Yet America is not threatened by Iraq externally. It is threatened by an enemy that cannot be identified: it is threatened by an ideology.
And you cannot fight an ideology by force and expect to win. You will only encourage dissenters. And dissenters are now spreading like a spiders web. London, Brisbane, Sydney...
I believe Helen Clark played the right cards when refusing to become involved in Iraq other than rebuilding etc. And I believe we should thank her for that.
I don't expect to say that again on any other issue.
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